Psychology – It Depends

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Zeke: I like to welcome everyone to another episode of the Let;s Gather Podcast. I’m your host Zeke and in this episode I sit down with my good friend Anna and we discuss psychology from a student stand point. You can follow Anna at her Instagram Annas.Roses. I like to give a content warning for any strong language used in this episode and hope you have a nice day and enjoy the show.

 Zeke: First question I like to ask is what would your origin story be?

 Anna: So what would my origin story be. Oh God, it would definitely be one of those like do you know the YouTube videos where people draw on the expo board and with the voiceover-

 Zeke: Draw my life.

 Anna: Yeah, draw my life. So I would do that because I then you have the voice-over to explain the pictures and I’m not like like van Gogh but like I could like just about draw so I would do that. Yeah.

 Zeke: So will it start from like birth or start from elementary, right now?

 Anna: Oh god where would it start? Um I guess we’d start from childhood because like I’m very I’m very much like a contextual person. So like where did everything begin so I would assume childhood to now.

 Zeke: And then to continue on to this point?

 Anna: It will continue on to this point. Cuz this is as far as I’ve gotten.

 Zeke: Nice, and to continue your a psychology major?

 Anna: Yep.

 Zeke: Why?

 Anna: So going into college I had no idea what major I wanted to do. I was like okay so I very much like people, not always like to hang out with them. I like studying people I like observing I like understanding a lot. And the only real major that does that is psychology because your understanding behavior “as much as possible” and trying to help people with it. And it all depends on the person right cuz psychology is so broad that it could really be taken anywhere. But for me in a sense I just want to use it to help people and have them quote unquote understand more.

 Zeke: So why not Human Resources and stuff like that?

 Anna: So human resources when it gets to the nitty-gritty of stuff human resources is very much like they kind of are not always talking to people and it’s kind of like it’s mixing human with finance and I’m not very much into the finance perspective of things. I’m very much like project management goal-oriented working with people per se. and then Human Resources is like it kinda is project management but not really it’s more so like okay like what could we do for the person financially that this company can give right stuff like that.

 Zeke: So what do you plan to do with psychology?

 Anna: Aha so I am considering management I think it’s really fun to do and once you’re in it at first you don’t know what you’re doing but that’s the best part about management is that there’s always leeway to change and I’m very much like that. I’m very into transforming into like what you’re supposed to be and learning through life and not everything’s gonna come as soon as it happens. So it takes time to do things so I think management is like the best one for me besides like

 Zeke: And so do you use psychology inside your personal life, work and school?

 Anna: Yeah I mean so when you learn about psychology right you learn not always how to help people because I feel like if you learn psychology that doesn’t qualify you to help people per se like you should like go through every single thing to be a therapist right but I still like doing what I can to help my friends with their problems and as much as like the whole meme of study or notes when you’re upset like yeah I mean I know that. But that’s not the point of it the point of it is trying to like work with people unlike see like okay like not everything is face value. There’s always the genetics there’s always the history, the context, the background there’s always so much more than the physical cuz everything exists not in one tunnel there’s multiple tunnels because we all see out of different things. So that’s why I’d like psych cuz it makes you realize that type of stuff.

 Zeke: Do you see a change in how you you like path through psychology?

 Anna: Yeah completely um I wasn’t so open for a long time and what psychology has taught me is to do that and also to understand where people come from. One you don’t always understand where they’re coming from. But what I’m trying to say is it’s more so just like there’s always more to things there’s always more than just your perception there’s their story, their truth your, story your truth all these different things combined. It’s not just one but that’s what the studying has taught me especially when you’re in abnormal psychology and you learn about all the different disorders. Some of them are genetic, some of them just happened, some trauma just happens where other things show. You can’t track all of these when they happen but you could just work with the person that has it per se so that’s just like one thing that psychology has taught me yeah.

 Zeke: Nice so if not psychology what would be your second choice?

 Anna: Corp com, it would definitely be corporate communications because I mean it’s basically kind of the same thing where you’re just learning how to communicate with people in a corporate setting which psychology can be used as well it just depends where you want to use it. Psychology you can either go clinical or you go applied it all depends.

 Zeke: As a psych major did you have trouble finding an like internship stuff like that, to help you get more experience? Or was it more like you found jobs through the skills that you have?

 Anna: With psychology it very much depends on the person. So for me I’ve only really worked over college in Baruch College since since existing uh-huh. And what I realized with psychology is that it I mean with anything really it’s very much how you take things right so what did you learn and how are you applying it. Psychology is the same thing literally what did you learn about people and how are you applying it to people. So luckily enough I’ve been able to be in leadership roles so I understand like both aspects of just being like an associate versus like getting that leadership position. What are the differences, what are the different perspectives, what can people interpret this way versus the other, what are different ways to communicate? Yeah, so I think being in those roles and being open to it like I definitely learned a lot with the help of psychology

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna:- yeah it definitely taught me way way way more and like for example like when it comes to leadership roles right you know a lot of people think oh you should just be one type of leader. No, there’s not one type of person so what makes you think you should be one type of leader?

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna: There’s different ways of leadership and you should use all the different ways obviously there’s really bad and you shouldn’t be bad leader. But there’s different ways of being good and that’s what should be accepted is that there’s different methods and it depends on the situation that you should use two different methods and pull from it not necessarily just stay in your zone because you don’t learn in your zone. You’ve got a branch out.

 Zeke: Just like adaptability and…

 Anna: Yeah it’s like adaptability um what else is there? It’s like learning discipline. So when it when should something be more disciplined and like like this has to be done now versus like okay like I understand your circumstance but we’re gonna work with it. Like it all just depends but that’s what psychology preps you to do. It preps you to understand where people come from quote-unquote cuz you can’t always understand but if you can get some context that’s what helps.

 Zeke: Ya I’ve been in a lot of leadership roles. A lot of time I have trouble with dealing with different people and different things happening at the same time. Can psychology help me understand where things are coming from? So I don’t have to spend the brainpower to figure out why it’s happening?

 Anna: Yeah.

 Zeke: And to find the solution?

 Anna: Yeah and you know there’s so many different angles to psychology right. So let’s say you said something that you weren’t intending to offend me on but I got offended and I said something aggressive. What is that saying? On both ends it’s saying you didn’t understand the context.

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna: On my end, it’s saying I’m projecting how I feel onto you and I’m projecting how to make you feel bad because you made me feel bad. So that’s what I feel like when it comes to behavior. A lot of people do not look at the other side because there’s always the other side to it. Right like, yes a person could just project what’s wrong what prompted it what might have not prompted it what happened what didn’t happen you in so many different lenses that they people have to be more open about that they’re not doing good and that’s why I feel like a lot of people are afraid of psychology and they don’t understand it because it’s it’s so much bigger than people think. It is it’s freaking human life obviously human life is not easy but you have to open your eyes to it or at least try to open your mind to it if you want to. Not saying you have to. But if you would like to it’s fun to do clearly yeah.

 Zeke: I just lost my question, my train of thought, other questions. So I guess with psychology people excite you. To more understand people or to more directly interact with people?

 Anna: Oh it’s both. Yeah um, again understanding that’s that’s a big word right there right because you can only understand so much as I tell you for therapy let’s say when it comes to therapy. People speak about what’s currently bothering them but that doesn’t mean they always give contacts, that doesn’t mean they always explain the full relationship to the person and even then the full relationship is one side. The way that I’m communicating how I’m upset that varies on the person you know. But at least I feel like with psychology you just you learn a lot about like okay like what is the person just telling me and what that might mean you know and then in turn when you learn about management leadership and all that what can I tell those people? What can I communicate to get them to understand? What can I communicate to make them the a liaison or something like that so we should take those like hundred percent.

 Zeke: So when your in these leadership roles do you ever feel nervous or second guess yourself? Like am I making the right decision?

 Anna: 100% I mean when you make the quote-unquote right decision is it really the right decision. it’s up to the person…

 Zeke: It’s up to the results.

 Anna: It’s up to the person, yeah it kind of it is up to the results I agree. But the right decision is your perception on the right decision. You know people always behave in the way they want to no matter what doesn’t mean it’s right, doesn’t mean it’s wrong it Depends on the person and that’s the big thing with psychology is it depends. I learned that in personality. My professors was like it depends because you learned about all the different theories that these psychologists made and they’re all valid because they made them but it depends. And that’s just how you have to approach people. It depends.

 Zeke: Because in all circumstances people do different things and your like ahhh yeah.

 Anna: It depends on the way you have to approach leadership management people. It depends.

 Zeke: Do you think someone can learn some of the skills by just interacting with people or would they have to go to school first?

 Anna: No you you have to go to school for it. Because as much as you can interact with people that doesn’t mean that that’s all people. At least with psychology it tries to get to all people obviously it doesn’t. but it does its best to but you can’t approach all people the same and you shouldn’t because as much as psychology looks into the science it doesn’t look into society it doesn’t look into culture and that’s the point of sociology anthropology it looks into the past it looks into trends and all that versus psychology which is literally the study of mind and behavior yeah.

 Zeke: Nice.

 Anna: Yeah fun stuff.

 Zeke: Nah I’m never going to take psychology.

 Anna: Yeah you should take it’s worth it.

 Zeke: I took one class.

 Anna: You took intro?

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna: Nice nice.

 Zeke: Took it technically twice in high school and here,… and you see how people interact. Like why sometimes you just can’t understand yeah 100%.

 Anna: And the thing is too everybody handles their shit their own way.

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna: So as much as psychologists can theorize different methods of people expressing anger and all that. Nothing’s concrete, we’re not even concrete let alone behavior the mind and all that but it depends.

 Zeke: The moral of psychology it depends.

 Anna: Yes, correlation does not equal causation that is tattooed into your brain as soon as you’re a psych major and it makes more sense when you study it “it depends.”

 Zeke: Name of the episode “It Depends.”

 Anna: It depends, yeah.

 Zeke: Do you plan to get your just your masters or your doctorate?

 Anna: [Breath] So, I’m in a big debate about that because for me what school I love to learn. I don’t like to be judged by how I learn in a certain time because I feel like with school you’re very much pressured to learn in X amount of months especially for college, like with the semesters and all that and I’m like okay but that doesn’t work for me personally so master’s doctorate-

 Zeke: Yeah.

 Anna: I don’t know I don’t want to say yes. I don’t wanna say no. I don’t know but that’s fine with me so.

 Zeke: I definitely said no, first year I was like thing you know let me get my doctorate   then was like-

 Anna: When you’re a freshman, like you don’t really understand college necessarily right. You don’t you don’t really know what how much it takes out of you to get a doctor or even just to get your bachelor’s like or even an associate’s – Right I mean no matter what, school is hard for some people in school is easy that’s okay. Like we have to acknowledge both on the spectrum. Right we have to acknowledge school is going to be hard and not everyone is made for college. We have to acknowledge schools really easy and these type of people can just get through it not feel any emotional depth to it they don’t care whatever… Hard they can just about survive they start to distrust themselves they start to break down not okay. But you have to address it in order to help the person out. So the both of them are fine, but it’s having that openness to understanding yes these both do exist and we need to stop ignoring the hard, not everything is freaking easy for everyone.

 Zeke: Yeah we all have our-

 Anna: We have our shit yeah, that’s really it we all have our shit yeah exactly yeah.

 Zeke: We all have our stats, no school gang lets go. So what do you do for fun besides psychology?

 Anna: Uh-huh uh-huh what do I do for fun well for me I like to discover a lot of new things, so I really love to read. I do I don’t feel the pressure to have to read something I like to read. I want to get back into painting really really bad, it’ll probably happen after college ends. I’ll have the time and mental stability to do it. What else I really really like to go to concerts and art museums and all I need type of display of art that I could get to. I like going to just because it’s there and like you know you should appreciate it oh well so I like to do I don’t know I mean all I can’t you know my friends but have the mental capability to do it what else like trying new foods, bubble tea is really nice.

 Zeke: Exploration and expression seems like your things.

 Anna: Yeah creative expression yeah.

 Zeke: So when it comes to reading I personally don’t like reading, why do you like reading? Do you visualize when you read or?

 Anna: I really like to read nonfiction autobiographies, I like to read memoirs a lot, I like to read what’s real because I like perspective which also reinforced why I did psychology was like. I can actually handle hearing people’s stories and I really really really enjoy hearing people’s perspective, not because of like I’m curious like no it’s like this was your story. So what is it tell me about it, which also a lot of my friends say like oh like you should be a therapist. I’m like uh-huh I would do it if it’s not so expensive to do and it’s not so timely to do cuz it takes about 8 to 12 years to do it and that’s just the schooling though yeah. So I’m like no no I’m okay with I’ll listen to your problems but don’t pay me for that, please please don’t I mean I really wish I could do therapy. I really really do but it’s it’s too much out of me that I can’t give. And I have to decide that now versus later on. Where it’s like alright I’m in a doctoral program but I still have to do all this shit. No I’m not gonna do that but when it comes to the reading stuff like I really enjoy hearing and like listening to different perspectives and I tend to really go for the harsh perspectives too. I don’t know why but it’s like I love hearing about Holocaust stories. What else has been a great book of mine? Like The Kite Runner, I loved reading that just because it was like telling a perspective of something very like brutal and hearing it out yeah so for that thanks yeah.

 Zeke: Nice.

 Anna: Nice.

 Zeke: And with the panting, what do you like to paint?

 Anna: You know it very much depends on mood. Ah for me sometimes it’s very much like I stick to certain colors and then like I try to come combine them and see like what it comes out to. Not like like in a circle but like you know it’s like how can I represent the way I’m feeling right. And blue and purple and put that all together right and then I like doing different interpretations. So it’s like one thing I did a few years ago was a logo of a band that I liked, so I did like the symbol and then I did like a spot or paint to it that was my homage to them. So you know it’s like it really depends on the mood I’m and what colors I want to use. What type of medium I want to use. Do I want to use like a small canvas generally use a big one, depends on the mood.

 Zeke: We have a lot in common actually, I used to like drawing and all that stuff, then wanted to test my math skills out.

 Anna: I mean it gets hard when you get older you know because it’s like when you have to deal with school and stuff it’s not easy to pick up into your interests anymore. But make time for what you can, that’s what matters, yep.

 Zeke: And to go back to psychology, do you think people have a negative connotation to it because they’re afraid of what they might find out about their deepest secrets?

 Anna: So it could be that. I feel like when I was starting the major a lot of people didn’t believe in it. So what I mean by that is essentially when people would hear me say oh you’re a psychology major they’re kind of like oh like what do you mean like what is that. They don’t believe in it right and I’m like it is everything you know what I mean um and a lot of people are concerned about the jobs you can get with it but also if you work with people you can have a psychology degree because you learn how people behave.

 Zeke: That’s similar to marketing which is-

 Anna: Yeah like it can even be used in marketing right. Like how can, what about these colors appeal to you? What about the way that this is positioned appeals to your eye? Marketing to with the sexual stuff unfortunately but like it appeases to people’s eye, that’s why they produce people to be sexually. It’s just that’s the part of it that’s the psychology part of it. It all depends on the person doesn’t have they want to you know utilize it but it’s interesting – When you take abnormal psychology the first thing you’re usually told is you can’t apply this to yourself because you learn about all the different disorders and different drugs that might affect people and all the different bad stuff that can happen. And the thing is when you learn about the different disorders you also don’t want to analyze people to assume that they have something because you don’t know. You know especially at an undergraduate level like you’re not a therapist that literally has to do rounds to see like oh these type of people exist and all that. Now you take abnormal you just study the theories and then you see what happens. If you can relate to it however that’s where you need to take that step and say okay who can I go out to for a resource right because you know you might have some cognitive understanding of it but you also don’t know at an undergraduate level. So I think that’s why people are very are like low-key sensitive to taking psychology. It’s like oh my god what is this veil that I have to like unreleased on do you know all that type of stuff yep.

 Zeke: What is the difference between abnormal and regular psychology?

 Anna: So okay abnormal psychology use aimed towards like the disorders and anything that people can get like diagnosed with. So psychology is the study of mind and behavior abnormal is a branch.

 Zeke: So it’s a subscript?

 Anna: Yeah, it’s it’s it’s part of it. Like abnormal is specifically towards the disorders and the way that different drugs might affect you and it goes towards this book called ideas DSM V 5 I believe. It’s um it’s the the guideline to like clinical psychology when it comes to sees me disorders and all that type of stuff so it’s not abnormal psychology is not all psychology it’s just something that you could take yeah.

 Zeke: And then in 10 years where do you see yourself?  Anna: I don’t know and I’m excited for the, I don’t know um because, I’m very much like okay like this is gonna happen whatever happens happens type. Huh, but I do really like management right now. So what I’ll say in the next ten months is something towards management. Ten years is too too far ahead for me to think about right now. I don’t know, I’m very, I get very hesitant to think that far ahead because I’m someone that likes like say like what I’m gonna do. So ten years is like too long and too much trauma can happen and like oh my god so we’re just not gonna say ten years we’ll say ten months whoever much ten months yeah.

 Zeke: And do you think psychology every like every culture has a different take on it?

 Anna: Oh yeah yeah, that’s the toughy. What psychology, is because cultures are not always accepting of it and I can’t speak for other cultures that I am not part of however from what I have studied it’s not always something that is approached with care. It is not something that is always approached in families, spoken about. It’s always, it can be something that is discouraged left under the rug you don’t act like that men don’t cry whatever it depends and that’s the tough part. But that is also why a lot of women of color or people of color I’m sorry people of color are very much encouraged to become therapists because they literally can speak on those cultures and they can literally give that perspective. Just someone that’s similar to them and be like okay this is where you’re coming from. I can’t give you advice on where you’re coming from however I could give you perspective and it makes sense. I mean hello that’s a valuable opportunity to do it if you could help more people you might as well yeah yeah.

 Zeke: And for the future of psychology do you think there will be more to reveal or?

 Anna: Well I think the next step in psychology is definitely understanding the role of Technology-

 Zeke: mm-hmm

 Anna: Because what I have been thinking about is how social media can vary very much harm people. And yes there are studies going out about that but I don’t know. That’s that’s definitely where psychology is gonna be turning because it’s like with this societal pressures in America at least to be like Instagram famous and all that type of stuff. What is that doing to the mentality of the individual? So for example like what is it doing to musicians to always have to post?

 Zeke: Mm-hmm     Anna: What does that do to that? Why do you have some people that don’t post that much? What does that statement mentally.. that’s definitely where I see things expanding and yeah that’s that’s really it that’s where like a lot of research hasn’t happened yet because again social media is happening right now and it’s very very hard to see progression when it’s all just like happening right now.

 Zeke: Yeah and instagram is removing likes and all that stuff.

 Anna: Yes, again to get rid of like reviewing likes all that stuff what does that mean and also psychology is not that old either. Like the study of psychology was probably late 1700s early 1800s correct me if I’m wrong but it’s not regarded as that old because it hasn’t been focused on for that long and that’s where technology affecting how people speak and not speak sorry technology affecting the way that people interact and mentally and what does I do that’s all now what technologies.

 Zeke: Also I feel that we had these problems before but technology is expediting and making it more prevalent.

 Anna: Yes and no, I feel like with technology it depends on the person. So like if they have to constantly, I don’t know. If some one post a lot doesn’t mean that they have narcissistic tendencies, depends. If someone is not posting a lot does that mean that they have self-deprecating issues? If someone doesn’t participate in social media what does that mean? You hear people going on social media breaks. What are you breaking from? Are you breaking from the fact that you are addicted to seeing how other people are doing? Are you breaking from not wanting enough people to see how you’re doing? What does this all mean for behavior, that’s what psychology goes back to what is this doing to you that is harming you and distressing you from carrying on life yep.

 Zeke: So to stay on technology, I always wondered how, what would happen once we get to a point in technology where everything’s automated, we’re gonna do after that?

 Anna: I don’t think it’s gonna hit that point. I don’t because there’s there’s too many people for everything to turn technology. It not like technology’s going to be in to replace people. Technology is only building a bridge to communication and representation. So I don’t think it’s gonna overtake us all right cuz that’s a lot.

 Zeke: So no Jetsons?

 Anna: No, I don’t think so. I just think that technology can harm you if you don’t know how to work with it. And that’s people’s biggest problems. But it also has to do with the marketing that exists of saying oh you have to post this amount of time see it this amount attention on you. Okay what’s happening in real-time that you’re not receiving that attention from the certain people that you want to receive it from? Where did these issues start that you needed these reinforcements from? It all depends on perspective and of course what I’m saying isn’t always 100% right it’s just my perspective it depends on what you listen to yep.

 Zeke: So no automations no jetsons everything look the same, so with cominitaction do you think there is too much communication we have too much access to everybody?

 Anna: Well, do you control how much access you have to people?

 Zeke: No.

 Anna: You don’t think so?

 Zeke: (stuttering) but you have to kind of force to interact with people anyway.

 Anna: Are you?

 Zeke: If you go on the train. Even if you try to avoid people sub-conscience you thought to avoid somebody.

 Anna: But that does mean you’re interacting with people. That’s the problem, is people are not understanding what control they have over. I mean of course you don’t have control over everything that’s known, that’s universally known whatever. But if you give technology your total control, that’s where you lose. But people do have to utilize it for their work, but what boundaries do you have it depends. I know I’m saying it depends to everything but that’s really how psychology works. It’s like it’s still incredibly situational that it gives enough attention to what is going on to each person that studies it to each person that wants to help people to each person that wants to continue to make it work something.

 Zeke: Do you think we’re at the peak of technology affecting us or do you think it’s just beginning?

 Anna: Affecting us?

 Zeke: In a negative way or?

 Anna: You already know my answer is gonna be depends. Because everybody takes technology different. Like you know for someone that doesn’t post a lot only posts once a year does it affect them the same as someone that posts every day? It can it just depends on the person and I know it depends is not a solid answer, but when you look into a psychology lens it is because everything is so freakin situational.

 Zeke: (stuttering) Do think the generations before us made a decision for technology for us and we’re now trying to figure out how to interact with it. Like facebook was created before we had the choice to make it. And now everyone said we went too far and now we don’t know where to go next.

 Anna: See even that’s so tricky because I like what is too far. what what’s what’s okay to do. I don’t know.

 Zeke: If only we had the answers.

 Anna: Well I mean what would the answers do?

 Zeke: The most point us in the right direction but then what’s the right direction cause even that could be seductive.

 Zeke: Psychology is fun.

 Anna: Psychology is so much fun and people look over it too much. It’s just it’s so fascinating to study and if you let it it can open you up again. Like I mentioned earlier like it it very much depends on the person and like what do they want out of psychology. Do they want to use it for deception like Ted Bundy? Do they want to use it to help other people like therapists? It depends on the person.

 Zeke: And what was your minor?

 Anna: English.

 Zeke: English.

 Anna: Yep, wanted to do English to learn how to read and write somewhat well. Doesn’t mean that’s always true but you know what English is very much dependent on the person that grades your paper so it’s like yeah I write okay.

 Zeke: Was that a tool for you to use?

 Anna: Yeah 100%. That was something that I I actively decided to do because I knew I need to to help with it. So I’m like well let me just pick up a minor. It’s gonna challenge me so the only learning challenges at least I do I’ll say that I learned in challenges so I was like fuck it let me just do the minor yep.

 Zeke: Nice and then I guess we can talk about culture.

 Anna: Hh God, so what about culture?

 Zeke: What about culture? What does it mean to you?

 Anna: What is culture? Culture I feel like is a combination of trends and patterns and the good and the bad and the people and the significance is that exists. You know it’s very different for everyone and also there’s so many cultures that they even made a study for it which is essentially sociology because it goes back to context it goes back to it depends. There’s so many different varieties and differences of people that’s what culture really highlights American European Italian polish differences its culture is.

 Zeke: So what would you say your culture is?

 Anna: What is my culture? Oh god, I would say I have a very observant culture. I like to observe not to gain information but something I’ve always been doing. Like I just I I know how to observe things um it was never taught to me per se. I mean like I’ve I had to observe something for class like I would observe it right but naturally I just observe everyone and again it’s not for the recognition type of observations. It’s more so just like okay like what is this thing? What does it do? What color is it? Why is it that color? Why is that stand right there versus over there? What is it this and that and that this? Constantly all the time and also I have a very creative culture too. I have such a deep appreciation for art because art is perspective. So of course being in this office, your the office of an artist so learn about the different perspectives that these might these albums might have on this person right you know what isn’t about maybe that art that reached this person. What is it about the sound that this album had what is the feeling that I might have the invote all that different stuff. That’s what my culture is I guess, no that’s a big question in that.

 Zeke: Cool the study of culture.

 Anna: Yeah.

 Zeke: I always wondered what my culture would be because I’m American but I can see my friend like debate conscious which is like different regions of the world and-

 Anna: Also what do you define it is it based on where you come from is based on what you do and it depends yeah.

 Zeke: Name of episode it depends.

 Anna: It depends, but that sounds about a good episode name for this one.

 Zeke: thanks and well one last thing on psychology, well i have a friend who studied psychology and minored in math for like analytical version of psychology compared to yours moreike understanding

 Anna: Yeah I mean what the math can do is help this person in research because they have to I mean whatever you say has to be backed up by freaking something at least in the eyes of academia who just I mean I get that whatever but the math will help them in the research and I’m not always conducting research by understanding what his research says that’s actually like a good combination half I was surprised when I first showed that I was like oh that’s really good if they want to do research so they should look into research but that sounds really really good for them yeah

 Zeke: Nice, So I guess were go to our last segment which is were you can name your story.

 Anna: Oh god oh god I don’t even know I’m sure I would just put my name.

 Zeke: Anna.

 Anna: I would put my my full name. Everybody call my name yeah because it’s just it’s my story no one else’s and even then like I I actively choose not to have role models. I I do draw influence from people but no role models because no one has lived my life specifically but I actively make that choice. It’s hard you know you’re only given so many tools you have to construct the box yourself. So I’m constructing my own freaking box with no role models yeah.

 Zeke: I would like to thank you for your time.

 Anna: Thanks cool.

 Zeke: Any promotions, is anything you wanna say?

 Anna: No I mean you can follow my Instagram if you want I don’t really post there I like I just post what I find pretty so like I literally have to posts on there for a reason it’s because those are pretty to me that’s it I mean will I post in the future all right it depends it’s just like whatever so it’s Annas.Roses because it’s mine first and middle name but then I was like let me put a kick to it and as roses whatever yeah so that’s it

  Zeke: That brings another episode of the Let’s Gather Podcast so close. Again you can follow Anna at her instagram @Annas.Roses. And for next week’s episode, returning from the first episode Tea comes back and we talk more in depth about anime traveling and many more. I hope you have a nice day and hope to see you there.    

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