Chatting with Ken

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Zeke: I like to welcome everyone to another episode of the Let’s Gather Podcast I’m your host Zeke and in this episode, I have my friend Ken to talk about various topics such as music, sports, and much more. You can follow his Instagram  Power Of Kenn to get a better idea who he is. And I like to give a content warning for any strong language used in this episode. I hope you have a nice day and enjoy the show. 

Zeke: The first question I always ask is what would you? What would your origin story be?

 Ken: Like was if I was a Superman?

Zeke: It didn’t have to be a superhero.

 Ken: I mean, um, I think the origin story I have right now is pretty good. You know, just a young guy in the Bronx. living as a first generation kid trying to like navigate survive and make the most that I can have my success in corporate and like seeking fulfillment in life. You know. It’s like traveling around the Hopefully, I can. I can, like, give everyone a good perspective on how to view the world like holistically.

 Zeke: So whether it be a TV show movie book,

Ken: I think a TV show TV show cuz no one’s gonna read a book. To be honest, but um, I think like, yeah, like a TV show on Netflix that we could mention, I think would be worthwhile. Yeah. Nice.

 Zeke: So like your childhood to now or, um,

 Ken: Yeah, the childhood. The child could be like a one episode like just a quick catch up because like, it’s gonna be full of fillers of like me on, like, can I curse on this. Yeah, awesome bullshit. Doing some, like, you know, like, shenanigans, but um, now I think the story is best told around the time of me navigating high school to just like, surviving in Baruch cuz like, you know how the school could. Yeah, it’s troubling. Like It’s troublesome like, you know, like the school The school acts like more of a kind of like a chamber for which you can use it as a platform to kind of like grow yourself. And get into like different events, but it’s not necessarily like the school itself provides you with those opportunities. Does that make sense?

 Zeke: Like it’s there but you have to do it.

 Ken: Yeah. For real like, you know, like, I go to other schools I don’t really rep I’m from Baruch unless they asked me it’s more of like, self branding. Like, it’s like, oh, yeah, like, Oh, yeah. My name is Kenneth. And, you know, I’ve been I been in x, y, z. I’m here because I’m interested in this, you know, but it’s never just cuz like, oh, like I go to Baruch Yeah, not to knock Baruch at all like Baruch is definitely growing on. I think if if, if we could, like better manage it, like starting with the elevators and just fix that. I think it gets the ball rolling.

 Zeke: Start with the bare minimum, elevators.

Ken: Elevators for real for real. Every class I’m late. It’s not because I wake up late. Yes. That’s a whole other issue.

Zeke: Yeah, so off camera, so about how we both changed our majors like twice.

Ken: Oh for real. Yeah, I mean twice, twice as low balling it. I changed mine, like I was telling earlier on. I came into the school undecided, but on paper I was a marketing management major. Yeah. Um, it wasn’t so like I came across a few of my friends who are into finance and like Wall Street club all that that was a okay. I mean, what do I know? I’m like a kid from the Bronx. I’m like, Okay, if I wanted to ensure that I graduated with a good paying job, like, you know, and blend in with the white folks. To survive. I’m actually going into finance so switch to finance realize that I’m not even good with numbers. And then somehow as I okay, I’m not good with numbers. But Amazon is growing. And yeah, tech is something I’m interested in. So I shifted gears to data analytics. That was going well, it was a even better because I get to sell like myself to companies and like, yeah, like data, data analytics is the future. For the most part, though, at the time. I even thought the whole data analytics was data and like Amazon, and That’s all it and being Hispanic too, you know, because it’s a minority, like they need that to fill the quota. Um, and then realizing that Baruch doesn’t really invest in like, cis, like the classes typically are with people who either they’re using technology that’s like, pretty old in the sense of like, programs are not even using now. So like having covered like topics are like, it’s, it’s, it’s good in principle, but it’s not concurrent to what’s happening now. Yeah, so shifting gears to marketing analytics, because I spoke to one of my friends who was doing marketing and a lot of things of like, you know, learning about building your brand. So like, how can you scale a product or service, you know, to meet the demand of like many people around you was more interesting. Yeah. And, you know, you could definitely profit off of that. And mix it with a lot of different things like, you know, like mathematics, you know, looking at the quantitative side of it and like the quality side. So, now I’m back to square one. long winded twist. Yeah.

Zeke: Life has a way to even itself out.

Ken: Yeah, for sure. You know, I think over timing, I think even happens with you, you know, like at the beginning, like, you may have wanted to do one thing, because at the time it made sense. Yeah. But then because of the sort of like the strong values you find you follow, it kind of like weaves itself. Like over time, like, you know, they’re like, I like to think of it like the three strong pillars of your character. And over time, like, you know, you’ll see yourself like changing you, you kind of panic cuz you’re like, Oh, is this really what I want to do? like is this like, Am I really Zeke like, cuz you know, like, one day I want to do like, like coding, coding, coding games and stuff in the next. Now I’m like a people’s person like a people’s hero. So I think as long as you have a strong three pillars like your strong three values, I think you could retain your sanity through through the madness, really a prosper through and make the most.

Zeke: Definitely came in accounting because in high school, I’m good at math.

Ken: Yeah, you were accounting major. Yeah. Oh, shoot, I thought you were like cis straight.

Zeke: No, I was accounting. What happened was, when I was trying to find the colleges and then decide what to do. So like, half of them were engineering half of them were accounting. When I got to Baruch I was like, Okay, let me try accounting, right.

Ken: Right, same with finance yeah for real.

Zeke: And then my mom was like, my mom keep give me hints because she did accounting when she went to college. But she can’t give me hints because there wasn’t a way for me because she had something that we won’t do this. And then I was like, she’s telling me not to, but she just she didn’t want to say himself, because he will make it her decision making my decision.

Ken: I see. I see. Nah mean like again at the time. It makes sense, you know, I mean, yeah. But um, I mean, even coming into Baruch like everyone, everyone’s either in accounting or finance person. Yeah. And it’s kind of always just kind of wacky, like, everyone wears the same thing. But you could kind of tell like, once you really like spend like a week a Baruch you could tell who was a finance guy and who isn’t? Yeah, based on like, Okay, what kind of bag they carrying like with the duffel, it’s it’s pretty wack.

Zeke: But um, I mean, I got zero economics and not a zero c- economics and I was like yeah, this ain’t for me.

Ken: No facts like for like I barely went through Zicklin looking back I wish I was like an English major.

Zeke: Actually, I should have went to Weissman,

Ken: Right? Yeah, cuz the way they sold it wasn’t Oh, you’re not gonna make anything of yourself if you’re not in Zicklin which is not the case at all. It’s completely not, you know, like I think even even though like I someone like outside of Baruch like oh what’s Zicklin they’ll look at you like, is that like the next like Ebola or like, what happens after Corona? Especially, you know, I mean like it’s a it’s boggling, you know? It’s like we’re in this bubble. Yeah, yeah. So.

Zeke: Then again doing the midterm for cis. I was like, I was like you know what?

Ken: A couple of panic attacks, anxiety attacks.

Zeke: Yeah like, I need a new plan. Yeah. This isn’t working out. Talk to the professors like, hey, I’m leaving your class. It’s not you. It’s me.

Ken: Yeah, that’s your green.

Zeke: So could you give us a another test to make it up? But its only 50 points, so even if I get 100 on that. I still have a 50 in the mentor. So I’m like it’s a lose lose situation. I’m just like, I’m not getting this anytime soon.

Ken: Right? And I mean, I mean like the business classes here. I know like, they’re very like textbook oriented. They’re not like timely you know, like, this is one class though. You take it with you ever taking on Malka? Yeah, yeah, like, you know how like, he has you like, reading like the Wall Street paper every day and talks about it.

Zeke: Yeah I did none of that.

Ken: I barely read too, but like, the way he brought it up, like there was like, a couple classes where I sat there, you know, like, on the phone, whatever. And like, he goes like, Oh, yeah, like the Dow is down. And then like, you know, China, this China that Trump with the tax reform, we’re…

Zeke: While I was taking it. It was after Greece. What you call it?

Ken: Like that economy?

Zeke: Like Yes. went bankrupt. Zimbabwe was having their problems. I was taking the class.

Ken: Oh, but like he brings it up nice. Oh, yeah. Like this is how it makes sense. Stuff like that. Yeah, I mean,

Zeke: Granted I also missed the first midterm because of the  NABA conference.

Ken: Oh, really? Well, you were in NABA at the time Yeah. Shit how do you  like NABA.

Zeke: It was cool it was like the confidence was a good experience for me to like me people like to get more confidence into like on professional, professional realm. Yeah, that’s what it’s good for meet good people help me out like resumes. But that I  just went into not just be in one club in college so that’s why I just branched out and did my own thing.

Ken: Now you’re like a jack of all trades. Like, yeah, like nobody like you were the first person I ever saw in NABA. Because when I heard that you were in a NABA. Oh, shoot this guy. Like this guy’s probably the next NABA president, I remember calling you that every time I saw you, NABA President, cuz like you would always be remember, like, at most events and sure, like that was like, wow, I wasn’t even in ALPFA at the time. But like, not like that NABA people were mad. Cool. Yeah, people like that. Um, they’re so driven like, it’s I think that’s one of the perks of being a Baruchr, you. you surround yourself with a ton of people who are like autonomous. They just you know they have either they have like the professional hustle I think everyone just has their own type of grind. You know? I think that’s what really makes it makes the school distinct and why I’m still here yeah so.

Zeke: I’m still here to, as a tutor.

Ken: Right.

Zeke: It feels like my fifth year but everyones like how’s class class jokes  Jokes right?

Ken: Yeah I keep forgetting I have class to me to me I treat classes like work like I have it right next like my other job on the calendar. I don’t even put school I just put like, like deadline.

Zeke: Yeah, after that, I branched out to the Latin American club and Femcode, I was still cis at the time.

Ken: Have you ever um like with all that, like, have you thought about like, going to travel? Like, like, you know, going to like another country or something?

Zeke: Oh, yeah, definitely. I just need, right now this more like this money is like the main issue, right? Nothing right now is set for me. Everything is like it can just change in a second make a change on a dime and I just need to have something set.

Ken: Right well we’ll be the first place you hit though if you were to like get out of the country?

Zeke: Interest wise like Tokyo just for like anime.

Ken: For Japan?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Huh that’s a whats up magic has really like poppin especially like all the neon lights Yeah, yeah, I’ve seen like Tokyo Drift Yeah, there’s some there’s some specials on Netflix to like, where it’s like held in Tokyo is pretty interesting. It’s pretty Yeah.

Zeke: The only thing is that I’m mad tall and then the rides over there, ment for shorter people and it’s like aw nah.

Ken: They look at you like um, I’m tourist huh?

Zeke: Yes.

Ken: About a to rob you off like, what did they have again?

Zeke: Yen, I think.

Ken: Ki, Dragon Ball z? Now like, yo, you know, what’s crazy about Tokyo? Like I like some of the things I get into on the side besides from my school. Because I that’s the thing I get in my head a lot. And one of the things I really find fascinating over there is like the Yakuza. Yeah, bro. Have you heard of that? Yeah. Yakuza I think that like the Japanese mafia.

Zeke: Yeah. And then the Chinese have the Triads.

Ken: The Triads? Yeah, they got their own mafia type of thing. Yeah. What did the Triads do is like Samurai style like?

Zeke: The Samurai is Japanese Japan.

Ken: Oh is it?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Oh yeah. Nah the Triads yo so like so what was that about? We you know about it?

Zeke: I know they were featured in like Rush Hour like those movies but like they’re like the Chinese version of like the mafia. So they had to have the Triads for there they have a Yakuza for Japan then you have the mafia over here. Yeah, then you have the Russian mafia.

Ken: Oh word, I’m honestly I’ve been thinking about making my own dominican mafia to be honest.

Zeke: We do not condone any illegal activity on this podcast.

Ken: Yeah, yo, when you make this video brandy like the scholar the whatever, like make it sound nice cuz people gonna like look at this like ah shit.

Zeke: FBI, like we got him.

Ken: Yeah, right I want to appear as like innocent as I can like every time I go to a club like that’s the problem I get they look at me like oh you’re just a little kid I’m like yeah but I don’t move like a little kid.

Zeke: I’m move in silent.

Ken: I move in silence and so I get the Henny bottle. But now like like stuff like that like the Yakuza is gangster like for me I like I like to say anything gangster like I’m a big mafia guy

Zeke: I know tattoos are really important in their culture.

Ken: Bro their tattoos. Have you seen like what would you know? What’s it calling it like the one like they use a specific technique to do…

Zeke: With the needle thing.

Ken: Like oh yeah it’s like the old fashioned like that’s been doing that for years now. Like centuries? Yeah, bro. Honestly like i was i was talking about girls like Yo, I was gonna tattoo has to be like one of those things like like something with the dragon, I like Dragon Ball z.

Zeke: Yeah, and then you had to fill it out over time.

Ken: Yeah, bro, but like, it makes it so real. Like the art style is so beautiful. Yeah, I think they go ham with it. You see like the people you know for the Yakuza. Like they got the whole back was like a whole Samurai just like God, impaling something. It’s crazy. But now Japan Japan’s cool especially like um the first time ever heard Japan like anything Japan was like I heard this one song. It was like in my dubstep phase. It was a Skrillex Yeah. What song was that, like Kyoto, bro, that was a hit like that, that that was a hit. During the time of like, it was like Black Ops. Black Ops two era definitely was Black Ops era. You know why? Because um, this is one song I know you know this because you play Call of Duty. Oh, yeah. It was um, it was in this this map maybe was back I was three actually where like, you have like the bus is moving between places. You know what I’m talking about?

Zeke: That was two.

Ken: That was two, Yeah, the best map ever the best map ever Um, and then you do the easter egg thing is that you got to hit like the eggs whatever the fuck yeah. And then the song came out with like, Skrillex and ASAP for that time that time period was insane.

Zeke: No, I think that was what was that? No one was,

Ken: No one was like, That was like the Pentagon yeah right and then two,

Zeke: Is the one with the bus and then three has no zombies war the war has armies first and then the one two and three and four.

Ken: Yes because four four doesn’t have zombies four has a bad thing you jump off a plane.

Zeke: Oh yeah, the battle royal.

Ken: Yeah, fire straight fight like that’s how honestly like, like if I if there was any big bonding experience at Baruch really any bonding experience you have at Baruch with anyone deals with stuff outside of Baruch if you want to really bond like like for that I bond with a lot of people through SEEK like Darwin, Steven. Steven not so much actually. But like Derwin, Darwin a couple other folks who like we literally got together like at like 12 12am and just started going crazy on that shit. Like I’ll be inviting like anyone really? Yeah I wish I played 2k though, honestly, I’m not really much of a sports guy so.

Zeke: I wish I was good at 2k.

Ken: What you mean you play that shit like 24/7?

Zeke: I’m not good.

Ken: Wow, I thought I thought everyone who played it like 24/7 was like

Zeke: I only play online I don’t play um like my my career and stuff like that.

Ken: Like see like mix and match your teams but you don’t have like a character like yeah, okay I see I see yeah I can see I can see the form of why everyone plays it though like it’s either the team or like your character and people just stat like stat the shit out of their character.

Zeke: They put it um put all their money to VC and everything.

Ken: Right, bro that’s the biggest fitness I’ve ever seen in like video game like.

Zeke: 2k was like word.

Ken: They were ahead of the microtransaction era. So even before Fortnite yeah Fortnite was just like they the target for them was this little kids. Yeah, like like rich white little kids who like have nothing else to do but play Minecraft. Yeah, Minecraft was lit. Minecraft was lit.

Zeke: It was cool.

Ken: But uh, yeah, like I mean like for me like, you know, playing playing ps4. Like stuff like that, like kind of helped me like build like strategy that I like. Like the way the way my brain works is like everything has to kind of like intertwine with like the next idea. So like, whatever strategy I apply my team or whatever, I kind of apply that to like my coursework. And then like from that, I kind of sell it in some of the interviews. Oh, yeah, like, you know, I strategize and like you know, organize my team. I even like do some leadership work and like all the projects I did for school, and then really what I’m talking about that I’m thinking about all the times I play battle royale and I’m like telling Dewin like yo my mans enough with the antics like enough with you talking about these women. We used to get to work, these like 20 people left the circles closing like that’s it like.

Zeke: We’re close to winning alright,

Ken: Exactly you see prioritization leadership team work all that stuff you know. For me videogames it’s more like just figuring out figuring out the rules of the videogame. What I can do and then adapting as I go because I’ve never read to never read the rule books and you know, when they had them in there, Bro thats what the books are meant for.

Zeke: They don’t have them anymore.

Ken: No, they don’t. Right? Yeah, pretty sure it got to like it went from like a 20 page instruction book to like a two page just a controller. To like just like a piece of paper that says, oh, here’s the website, you could go to by more microtransactions

Zeke: And then I just I figure out  this is the controls cool. This si the rules of the world cool. Yeah. And then figured out and be resilient.

Ken: Yeah, just, just throw yourself in it. That’s my approach with things. Yeah,  just throw yourself in and then you figure it out. I throw myself in the deep end. Yeah, yeah. And not just one. But yeah, um, yeah. So what else you want to pick my brain on? Kind of sounds like hip hop.

Zeke: I was going to talk about marketing we’ll come back to that real quick. So since your in, new to marketing. Do you see as you see, like, you should figure out what to do to people?

Ken: Like advertisements? 

Zeke: Yeah. 

Ken: I mean, like advertisement from from my understanding is like, it’s pretty straightforward. You try to try to sell something to a person, whether it be like buying, or just getting onto like a website, you know, for me what I’ve been noticing a lot was the the the pursuance of convenience. You know, I think that’s the next step when it comes to a lot of like just marketing in general even with advertisements so convenience plays out in the way of like, at the bait of the bare bones is like seeing an ad on the subway. Like you don’t have to walk like you know, like yeah, like the posters and shit like on Time Square you like walking by, you see it, but you don’t really pay much mind to it. But like in the subway, the advertisements there and you’re stuck in that car. And like if you’re not on your phone, which most people are on the phone, you’re looking at the ads or looking out but most likely you’ll be looking at the ads and like kind of like picking your brain like the most intelligent advertising I’ve seen recently was the CASPER ads. You’ve seen them yeah, like the matches.

Zeke: And had on subway and they have you solving the problem.

Ken: Exactly. Exactly. And I think that honestly is like the future advertising. Getting people like interacting with the advertisers really thinking about and be like, oh shit that was really covered. Or like, you know, like filling out the blanks or like seeing like the patterns of like little characters or like oh, death bed, son relax. Oh, diary, like some shit. But like, you know, I mean like just like it gets you thinking and I think um, I think it’s clever and I think people should really follow follow along with them like, have people really interact because like for me to like um she doesn’t mean the funny I don’t do this don’t condone this but like you ever see like you’re watching anime and there’s like there’s like an ad that pops up of like hentai for them to like go on the website. And it’s like a like kind of like an interactive mini game with a girl they got to like fill out the puzzle to see her nude. Yeah, I think that was ahead of its time. That was like years ago, I think Casper kind of like adopted that same type of principle and started doing that. But like yeah, I think um, I think that’s that’s where it’s leading to and then over all marketing. The idea of convenience so like for me You see this trend? I’m a big trends guy, like I love like trying to identify patterns. That’s a big word identify. Essentially, you see how a lot of these businesses like Uber right, they pretty much eliminated the idea of you having to go outside and hail a cab then to progress to you calling to get a cab to now literally without even interacting with anyone ordering off your phone. Right same thing with even even ordering delivery. You don’t have to like have like a drawer full of brochures. I mean, I live in Hispanic Bronx household, we literally and to this day, I don’t know why the hell we have this. We literally have a cabinet, like a draw or whatever you pull it out, it’s like two lighters, McDonald’s barbecue, barbecue sauce cup, and then like a ton of like Chinese brochures. That they just leave at our door and we keep it because like, you know, sometimes we want chinos. You know, we just refer to it but like now it’s like, we have the convenience of Seamless, Grubhub, Uber Eats to like order off our phones. And then like you know the idea of like having to order on before you have to want to like call the airlines to like make your ticket entry ticket, okay? It’s like a travel agent or an agent. You don’t need this anymore. You could do it off your phone with Skyscanner to now it’s even easier sometimes to Travelocity and shit to go see all those ads, it’s even easier to order stuff. So like, there’s like this pattern of easy like of ease, where like, businesses are identifying that and like that kind of intertwines with this like marketing selling idea of the experience, where like, you try to make everything as seamless as possible for a consumer to get from one end to the other. Um, and it’s becoming like repetitive like in like, you know, marketing cases, marketing cases and studies, where like, teachers are kind of like running through these companies who are like saying, Oh, shit, you know, we’ve been doing this this whole time, right? And we’re used to it. It’s not like we find it inconvenient. It’s just, they find a way to make it faster, simpler, and much more attractive and three pillars are like what’s going to lead to the success of like a ton of other companies that are on the rise? Yeah, that’s why I follow marketing and like advertising. Yeah, the idea of like interactive ads and convenience. So, I mean, I can’t wait to learn more like as soon as like, I start working um. Yeah. Tech tech is dope. Yeah.

Zeke: What was I about to say,so like more marketing, marketing, I was in this competition before and I was having I was having we were having trouble, like figuring out ideas because we felt like, everything’s been done.

Ken: Yeah. And that’s that’s like, that’s obviously like, it’s kind of like the trap in business, you know? Yeah. Like that’s what kind of separates the entrepreneur from like the businessman. I mean, yeah, they’re the people think of them as synonymous but the entrepreneur is the creative guy. The businessman is the transactional person. I think. There was like this thing I saw like, I think it was like Earn Your Leisure. Where it was like, right. It was like basically like a like a picture of like, Bezos running through like, different things that he’s done to fail not to fail, but like that he’s failed in so like he tried to come up with like, um, what was it? It was like, selling mattresses at one point that failed. He had like a thing that was like, it was like Amazon ask that you can literally look it up it was like, it was like a mix between how.com is it wikihow wikihow.com Yeah, and Quora we could like ask different different people things. And like, they will like have like that as like a way to get ad money. That failed. But like just overall like, you know, a ton of too many of businesses fail. Um, but I think that’s just part of like, you know, the creative side of, of like just business.

Zeke: So, also wonder what happened what what happened where we get, like a maximum ease like 100% comfort in society.

Ken: A comfort what do you mean, like?

Zeke: Like, everything’s like automated.

Ken: Oh, the auto the automated age. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I mean, that’s interesting though. That’s really interesting. Like Cowboy Bebop.

Zeke: Yeah, like Cowboy Bebop that was kind of dystopia.

Ken: Yeah, fire though. I think Cowboy Bebop is like a much more realistic thing because it’s like, little things like, you know, you’re still gonna have your food carts. Yeah. You’re probably gonna see like more vending machines outside like, imagine seeing a vending machine outside now, you know, well think the first thing the thing is like, yo, anyone could break it. But the thing is, is that you know, people buy cameras and cameras are getting cheap. Yeah. Which is great because now people are able to buy it and use it as security. You know, you have nest you have like Amazon’s a nest. No, Google’s nest. Nevertheless, cameras are getting cheap. Yeah. Um, and I think people are going to be much more confident in being in front of a camera you know, just like this. Or like just like you know, you going by like your aunt’s house and seeing a camera by the doorbell that’s going to be like this the thing of the future um, but like more so with the autonomy I think I think it is doable. A lot of business are investing in it like I’m sure like you heard like Google with like their I think it’s like wayfair or like some like,

Zeke: That assistant now. Google has a assistant  that can make calls for you.

Ken: Yeah.

Zeke: Like it can speak to people like.

Ken: Yeah, like I was talking to Steven about that. Those are the ones where like, we were like, pretty, pretty, pretty pretty bop. And like, we were talking about how like my thing my worry, to be honest, is that communication between people is going to be dead like this. What we have right now is definitely going to be a thing of the past. Because there’s ways of us communicating faster like the fact that like iMessage, right, yeah, iMessage or WhatsApp, you could instantly text and respond. And you could directly indicate like, you can literally for me, like I talked to my girlfriend, on WhatsApp. We could be talking about three different topics within the same timeframe. And it’s easy because we could just be like, oh, what do you think of like tomato sauce to what do you think about the economy to what’s happening in politics. And easily for me, I find it easy to talk to because I could just hit reply to this reply to that reply to this. And we can still follow along what we’re trying to say, you know, so I think like autonomy autonomous in terms of that to, like having Siri like responsive thing I should turn it off, having having that turn on. And to like, you know, reply to like Derwin, or like, you know, I think the idea of like, the ease of communicating, and the speed of it is gonna revolutionize through the way we we develop these applications. And that goes, that goes, that goes synonymous to the way we’re approaching like cars with Tesla. Yeah, like, I could talk all day about Tesla, like, I love Tesla. And, yeah, like the things that they’re doing to like, make sure that autonomous, autonomous driving is safe. And like, you know, the fact that like, eventually we can even jump in a cab. I mean, there was this one conference. Maybe you saw it. It was on my YouTube recommended, probably yours, too. So shifting into tech where he brought up the idea that Tesla is gonna push out as many model threes as possible to make the next type of Uber where you just have to request it on the request on the Tesla app and that model three will literally roll up to you with no driver probably even no you no, wheel just like a couple of seats empty for you to just go in sit in and take it to a place it’ll be cheap because you’re not paying anyone you’re just paying Tesla. You know the most they’re gonna do is just make sure that the cars clean, that’s like it’s filled with gas wow, electricity, battery, whatever, and just go from there. So the autonomy age though, for me to like ballpark it though, with all that. It’s probably gonna be like in 2060’s 2070’s. Yeah, cuz that’s, that’s, that’s another thing that most fascinating like looking at like, you know, you gotta be looking at different parts. When it comes to tech. You got to look at the way that people are responding to it through politics, regulation and market demand. Yeah. Yeah. So just looking at all those three is gonna definitely be good indicators of like, where we’re going and how fast we’re going to approach to it with autonomy. Yeah, I want to be a futurist.

Zeke: And then we had to worry about jobs or what people going to do, right? I guess it would be more like, what what would people do? Because if nobodies working then everybody just chilling?

Ken: Well, I mean, like, what do you what do you think of jobs though? Let me let me let me pick your brain actually. Ask you a question. I’ve read this in a if you’re a fan of Freakonomics, you know where I’m going with this? How many? How many farmers you think like, give me a ratio of farmers to librarians in this in this country? Like if for every librarian, right, is there like, Are there other every other two libraries to farmers or their two farmers to librarians?

Zeke: Two libraries to farmers.

Ken: Right you think that right because we’re in the city you find a ton of librarians like where the hell you’re gonna find a farm? I read in Freakonomics maybe this is outdated but like there are at least for every one librarian there are three farmers right and part of that is because the fact that like we have a large like large dense population in the cities like the five major cities but then the rest of America it’s still to this day farmland yeah like that’s why we still have like a bunch of like produce in our supermarkets are packed out and like with the rise of population going up you know, like you would think that we’re gonna run out of food Hell no, bro like yeah,

Zeke: We have more than enough food just that most of it goes to waste.

Ken: Hell yeah. And then scale that so like, you know, other countries like this country is only like, It boggles my mind. Every time I think about it. We only have like 340 million people in this country. worldwide. We have 7 billion Yeah, and then then like the fact that was like another Uber factor like for every person if you were to divide up the land, with the with the exclusion of Antarctica, you could designate a person like two to three acres. Yeah.

Zeke: Steve Harvey said that.

Ken: Oh, did he?

Zeke: Yeah, he was talking about, it was more like, motivational.Talking about how like he like, put, in a vision board went to stuff a ton of stuff and then he like anybody could own a piece of land. Uh huh. And then he, like, people don’t want their piece of land. So he was gonna put their pieces of land. So then he got more land.

Ken: Right. Okay. Yeah, he was he was pretty much alining to like, what what my thought was? And I think um, so your point of to your question of the jobs like the worry about jobs, I think there’s still gonna be jobs. I mean, do like it’s, it’s a lot like even though farming itself has gotten technologically advanced, so you could pretty much identify that the temperature of your crops and stuff and you know, there are things like, you know, making the crops, you know, growing the harvesting it, transporting it, cleaning it, you know, and then like packaging it, and then like, you know, they’re like either you either can it right? You know canned goods or then you have to prepare into a dish. So there’s like a ton of like ton of steps before even gets to the consumer. I think it’s gonna take a long time before we came in like eliminate even half of that because at the end of the day you still gonna need people to even then like with with tech right you’re still gonna need programmers yeah to do that unless like we finance the AI system, which would be fucking crazy.  Then be like we went to far let’s go this step um this take a step back. Yeah, honestly. Yeah, do you like?

Zeke: We make Skynet? Like, hey, we don’t need yall no more, like what?

Ken: Facts, bro. I mean, even for us like, I mean, that’s something that we should worry about. I don’t think that in our lifetime, even in our generation that’s like that. That shouldn’t be as a big concern. I think our big concern should be getting our pushing our technology technologies to the point where everyone has access to equal opportunities.

Zeke: We have to eliminate poverty Well, kinda.

Ken: Poverty I think poverty is a given I think in our market, like if you’re gonna have the ultra rich you’re gonna have to. Yeah, sure.

Zeke: Capitalism has to have it.

Ken: Yeah. So I think I think it’s, it’s it kind of balances the scale in a way not to say like we need poverty or like we need it at the rate that we have it now. But um i think i think it’s like yeah in fact like you know, you know, you know what’s been catching my eye recently watching Yeah, right. Like blockchain for my understand is like an it’s like a it’s like an online ledger Yeah. Where like everyone’s able to see at the same time. What the hell’s going on like a records of like different transactions, you know where the money’s going. And like for me, I think of like the future of the of the distribution of wealth so that would be to kind of eliminate a lot of like the poverty that we have this country is done by like making sure that um this is where I get into passionate about politics like that. It’s It’s, it’s, it’s accomplished by making sure that we apply this blockchain system. Which is like a basically clear way of looking at the way the government’s running the government’s like allocating our taxes and making sure that yo, like if I’m voting for you, right, because you know how politicians right like, Oh yeah, I’m eliminate the debt and universal health care. universal basic income, all that shit, right? How can we make sure they’re going to do that if we’re not clear on how the money’s managed, you know even to this day like I don’t even know how the hell my taxes are going, like my parents pay a shit ton of taxes and we live in the Bronx and our roads are still fucked up. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think like, the events with technology like even though it sounds scary and like, you know, worried about the jobs of shit. The steps towards you know, like, ultimate autonomy would help us like eliminate that poverty and even along the way, like, bro like they’re teaching like you have a younger sibling? Yeah. How old

Zeke: He’s in Baruch right now 18.

Ken: Oh shit really good. He’s in Baruch. Yeah. Oh, shoot is he in SEEK? Yeah? What’s his name?

Zeke: Lawrenzo.

Ken: Lawrenzo. Yeah. Well, I’m sure like he’s taking like coding classes even though right? They just fixed it or you have to kind of learn Python what his major?

Zeke: Something english. Their teaching kids like, um, in Elementary, like basic coding.

Ken: Yeah, like c++ like you know, the bare bones. I do teaching my my have a brother who’s getting into high school. He’s in eighth grade. There’s teaching him Python, like basic like commands.  You know, lady in the Bronx. She has like, ah, now profit that teaches kids in middle school, high school, clothing, and then the high school kids.  It was like, a like a free boot camp.

Zeke: Yeah. And then the high school kids, they teach the kids and then they help the high school kid get jobs afterwards.

Ken: Oh, nice. No, seriously, you see that stuff like that? It’s like steps towards future proofing. Yeah, you know, like future proofing this sense of like, you know, people are worried about AI taking away our jobs. It is happening you know, like, that’s why like Andrew Yang.

Zeke: Certain jobs and it’s hard, he says it’s hard for people to switch.

Ken: Right because of that learning curve. But I mean like it’s bound to happen, you know shit. I think like eventually like, you know, like us like we’ll get so far it’s like yeah like you’ll see it happening a lot but we’ll be okay with it because we’ll have the skill sets that’s needed to come up with a different way of making income.

Zeke: Yeah, yeah. We’re both creative now you’re in the marketing so you always need we’re both into marketing technically. So marketing always gonna be there.

Ken: Yeah, like dude like this is this is marketing you know, it’s creative and like you’re building your brand like it is I think at the end of the day any any business is marketing. Yeah, yeah. Cuz you’re gonna need a consumer you need a supplier and a commander, someone who wants something.

Zeke: Yeah, need to know how to market it. So we’re good.

Ken: Yeah, man, so yeah, so I wouldn’t I wouldn’t freak out about it as much. Yeah. Never know that’s the thing so like what like, I like getting into spaces where like people are like so like ahead of ahead of the curve because of stuff like they do or like the stuff they follow like for me like I’m only I’m very surface level as although like many people might find me as like, oh like you’re like this guy was like really like geeky into this I’m like the Hell no, like to be honest like, I joke about it but like honestly I like to look at things like a morning brew, like I like one sentence or two about a topic. And that’s all I need. Like, if I want to click the link, I’ll click the link but 10 times out of 10 I’m not clicking the link. Like I just don’t you got a cache like I can barely read, you know, so it’s like stuff like through like this that I kind of learned. Yeah. Yeah. So So what what’s been what’s been a capturing your attention recently?

Zeke: What’s been a capturing my attention recently, like just learning different things about the podcast, that in general just like get my skill sets up and then in terms of the world I guess you could say tech a little bit just seeing like, where everything’s going like, hmm. Let me see. Definitely worry about automation that like, I just want to see who was going to happen. Right away. Will it be like Terminator or will be like Jetsons so, like, not too far away. We find that perfect balanced.

Ken: Right. Yeah. As though as though the podcast space is growing too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the I don’t know if you know, but like Spotify, they investor, like the numbers, I’m about what numbers but I think it’s like over 200 mil into just podcasts. Yeah, just like a ton of like new pilots. They do button podcasts. Yeah. Have you seen that? Yeah. It’s just complete jokes. And he’s just like, honestly, just people talking like, the way they do his cover though. Because like, they have a list of topics that these notes each other, but then like, they just talk it through. Yeah, yeah. But um, knowing I think, yeah, I think like the podcast space is It’s an exciting space and like honestly it’s very ballsy of you to even like have considered like do something like this.

Zeke: I think it’s just a new radio.

Ken: Absolutely absolutely make now you could now you have the option of actually looking at me while I’m talking my shit you know I mean so.

Zeke: Also pay attention to music how because podcasting musics pretty much the same thing we like a deal and get assigned to like all select a service.

Ken: What do you mean?

Zeke: Cuz all the same people who get signed to like Barstool Sports and like Apple and then is another guy named Arian Foster he had a podcast called he has a podcast called Now What with Arian Foster and then he was on all platforms but now he’s exclusively on  Luminary. A specific platform they had to pay for so like and then some of them usually how people get deals. But then sometimes people sign their licence. They um IPS away. Similar to how people sign their masters away.

Ken: I hate that.

Zeke: Yeah. So then it’s just like. And then there’s also some of the how people decide distribution deals with music and you can sign distribution deals with all the different platforms.

Ken: Hey, what do you thoughts are like people selling their masters?

Zeke: That’s a terrible idea.

Ken: Why you think that I’m curious. I kind of want to play devil’s advocate.

Zeke: Nah because it’s more like, if the person has the buzzer already  if they, the one people only invest in what they see, they can make money on right so if somebody else sees they gain money, you’re gonna make money. And then within the music, um what you call it. The music industry has a history of stealing means like stealing from artists does that Prince changed his name to a symbol and  the Artist Formerly known as Prince and then I’ll try to identify my research. I find the reasons like this, like the music industry, and I wanted to see when the first record came out. How became like, so  predatory.

Ken: Okay, but like what if from? For me, right? Like I think about like, what if I’m advising artists, right? Let’s say, I’m like upcoming Lil Wayne, right? Think of Lil Wayne like in the current times right now. I have like 1000 followers, like, like my music is like, if you look at the analytics behind the you’ll see like it’s been trending like I’ve been getting, like 10 flower followers every day, steady, steady growth and a label comes up to me and says Yeah, what do you want to sign you want to build your brand and all that is just you’re gonna have to give your masters to us. Wouldn’t you Wouldn’t you like, if you’re in his position, like, wouldn’t you consider it because it’s like, you’re selling your masters but like, what if it’s like a big label like, like say like a Rockefeller, you know? Like, wouldn’t then you’d be like, yo, like, I’m gonna do it because, you know, it’s been seeming like I’ve been growing, you know, especially with a with a label like that. They’d be able to give me the production that’d be able to put me in like those places that like, will, you know, not like favorite hip hop, and maybe even mine. Cuz they’re liking my music like. What didn’t you like say like that’s that’s a good option or With that it’s short term goal like What if it’s like a three three year contract? I don’t think masters or like that like contract are like that  crazy is it?

Zeke: Like I’m not too well versed but I know like, like the issues and like if that if they have control of the music so if they don’t want you to put that out then they can shelve you.

Ken: But isn’t it good for them though? Like, is it good for you because like they kind of know the formula with…

Zeke: But if they, if you have a disagreement on how you want something to go.

Ken: Yeah to go with them anyways. Yeah, That’s like with Lil Uzi. Yeah.

Zeke: And then with um Lupe Fiasco.

Ken: Alright. Dude that man has so much potential. Yeah, dude, that’s sick.

Zeke: It’s just that labels, they have their own agenda and they own thing they’re doing so then when you want to do something with your own name where they own your music, then you can’t.

Ken: Do you think you think Artists like are gonna be much more independent now you think are they gonna sign deals or like Spotify because I don’t Drake sign a deal with no it wasn’t Drake maybe but I know Chance the Rapper signed a deal with Apple Music yeah it’s like you think like that’s like the trajectory of like were artist are going.

Zeke: I was watching The Breakfast Club interview with Steve Stoute yes Steve Stoute he talks about how like the labels are starting to die, they won’t completely die just change the strategy.

Ken: Change the strategy I see. Because they have a ton of like, yeah, cuz you know what it is like? I understand like, it’s like they they’re the ones with the agreements with like iHeartRadio Yeah, like what I heard is like We Live Nation like the venue’s you know, yeah. So I think that’s where like the cash was that because I got a ton of artists now like, I don’t know if you watch the Super Bowl halftime show. Yeah. Sorry. Shakira. Ah, but um, because of that, literally the projection for them to go on tour like every every concert they do from here on to the next year. JLo and Shakira, on average, are going be making about 1.5 million per stop throughout their tours. And their tours is like probably like what 18 shows?

Zeke: It could be worldwide because of the Latin Market.

Ken: Right, right. Oh, okay. Ahl they’re gonna kill it, they’re gonna milk it. You know, I mean, so the point I’m trying to go with this is like, yeah, like, for like to understand like, people are really not going to sign with labels or at the very end, the labels are either going to be in a different form. Like, I wouldn’t be surprised if like a new artist comes around and says I signed to Youtube music. And he just released content exclusively to Youtube music or Amazon Prime music.

Zeke: Yeah. So that’s why people just do distribution deals just like help me get the music out there. Yeah, I’m controlling the music.

Ken: And you open up the app. It’s like, like, what do you have Spotify? Or Apple Music Spotify? Yeah, exactly. When you’re on Spotify, it pops out like oh, this new artists just came out with their album like you want to stream it. And oh shit. Like this is dope. I know about this boom streams. Right there. Yeah, that’s interesting. That’s really interesting. Yeah, I think I’m also like, like, cuz I wanted to get into music one point like, especially like the music management side, um, with respect to like live performances, and like the way that they’re shifting live performances is pretty dope I went to like the Tyler creator concert for Igor. It was very minimal in terms of like what he did, but it was like, he made it so, so captivating like from like the erratic dances and stuff like that. Yeah, like before like what was the last concert you’ve been to? If you if you’ve been to one?

Zeke: Last concert was like the Knicks was Nas and Swizz Beatz performing.

Ken: You saw NAS live?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: It must have been dope, like the way he performs I bet was like cuz Nas is bar for bar. Yeah. But he doesn’t like move around too much. So, like, like, like, I think like artists are going to be shifting to um to more of like an active type of show as opposed to like, you know, Just like standing there and just like rap rap rap rap yeah especially if you watch bad bunny like I don’t know if you’re like oh that bunny like that his his shows is crazy he has the dancers he has like fire he has like visuals in the bag it’s it’s stupid fire.

Zeke: Yeah spending time to pay attention to like what’s like the next big thing like…

Ken: In music?

Zeke: In general you know this like the next thing that will capture people.

Ken: Oh absolutely yeah.

Zeke: Cuz now you have Tik Tok right now and chopping Vine back also,

Ken: Tik Tok are they trying to be like Vine?

Zeke: Yeah they…

Ken: Hell no they can’t do that.

Zeke: Well app came back with the same predict the same features just found out forgot the name of it but yeah

Ken: Dude how they gonna Vine coming back now it’s kind of stupid cuz tics are kind of captures like the same type of audience yeah sure thing I mean see talk is like targeted to like younger, younger audience like Vine, like if you’re going to be on Vine, that’s tough. That’s tough. I can see people Getting back on Vine because Tik Tok is almost the same thing. Yeah, if not even better, because it’s like you mix the different like videos and stuff. I mean, Tik Tok Damn, Damn, I gotta I gotta run a case on. That’s crazy. I don’t know. I don’t know I wanna I want to see if Vine being successful now.

Zeke: They didn’t listen to the new related to the top creators and then the top creators just left and were going to do our own thing.

Ken: Weren’t they gonna be bought up by Facebook?

Zeke: They were brought by Twitter. Twitter brought them.

Ken: Twitter bought up Vine.

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Oh, wow. Oh, shit I mean, that’s interesting. Also, like if you were to make a Vine video, you would tweet it like it’d be seamless like how like you post on Instagram, it goes into Facebook.

Zeke: But then vine pretty much died, then turned into their video or something like that? For the videos.

Ken: That’s weird. I use Twitter a lot more now. I think I think the older I get, like the older you get eventually gonna get on Twitter. This is gonna be like a big Twitter thing to be honest, was because like, sort of so I find it super like this search, like this search feature. It’s just like looking up shades super powerful if you type in like two different things, it goes though everything. It’s like Google where like highlights like specific words and you find it. Like maybe Facebook does that I might be clueless on this, but like for Twitter, it literally pops out to me. I’m like, Oh, shit, this is pretty dope. I like the hashtags. Like I didn’t realize that you make a hash because before like, wake up with like, hashtag this I’m like, what kind of stupid? Yeah, but like now it’s like, wow, like, this is the real deal. Like this hash tag thing has so so much power?

Zeke: Yes. Pretty much search. Yeah. People also build your brain like that.

Ken: Yeah, I started making hashtag like power of Ken or something. I’m trying I’m trying to like do this DJ thing. Like will playlist on like, like, host like parties and stuff just never having the time. Yeah, but that’s like something like I’ve been I’ve been trying to like consider like in the back of my mind, like on the side.

Zeke: Yeah, just do for fun. Say,

Ken: Hey like this you want to act is like balls deep like I was telling you like, yeah, yeah like the boxer in the yeah like two have like three cameras with another phone the right they’re like bro show like no but honestly that’s like a tip like honestly like people should emulate that. Like if you want to do something just go go hard go hard or go home.

Zeke: Yeah, my mom was like, you gotta have something new come up and I’ll be waiting as long as you can use the recorder.

Ken: From from the accountant to the podcast,

Zeke: Because they made like, well, I wanted to be a teacher. Probably by them. I was like elementary school.

Ken: Teacher or firefighter?

Zeke: Both.

Ken: Oh, both?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Oh, you’re a man of many things.

Zeke: Then was like people die in fires. Then was like my friend

Ken: People died in schools to.

Zeke: Tragedies. That was like I look to my friends. Like they’re annoying, children are hard to deal with. Like, yeah, you can’t be too hard on them. Gotta have that gotta played on. Play that line to get the respect

Ken: Yeah, absolutely. Especially depending on what grade to…

Zeke: Teaching is hard because people learn, everybody in the class learn differently. But you don’t have the tools to cater all the time to cater to each person.

Ken: I mean, you got to kind of go with the flow, don’t you think? Like, it’s not like it’s impossible. It’s just yeah, you know, certain people is like, you got to catch the goal for me, I think it will teach you that you got to have to just catch like the majority. Like if you got the majority then cool for the minority that don’t get it. That’s when you offer like office hours or like after after class, like, you know, like I should teaching but I mean, you always got to have loosened when it comes to that type of thing.

Zeke: Will be like a wrestler, race car driver, be a chef. I’m gonna go to…

Ken: Wait, you said race car driver?

Zeke: Yeah,

Ken: But how are you gonna do that?

Zeke: I don’t know, I just had the idea. It was like nothing moves cool.

Ken: Like a white person things. Bro. Like I went to this song that when I was in Cali this past summer, I went to this like NASCAR thing. Yeah, it was like, that’s not the grand pics. I was gonna say some other shit. those extremes like tort like whatever, bro was just a bunch of white people I did not see like one personal color Yeah, like it’s like yeah I get I get the idea like you’re racing cars and shit was like just saying they’re like.

Zeke: I also wanted almost was I was supposed to a art high school but then they um what you call it the day before audition I didn’t go.

Ken: You’re going to do art?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Holy.

Zeke: That’s why I do marketing,

Ken: What kind of art like just actually painting like you’re trying to be like what the next Picasso?

Zeke: Nah I just want to like abstract and stuff like that in the

Ken: Abstract?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: What is abstract.

Zeke: It’s more of like it’s like an umbrella term like anything that’s not like realistic or like,

Ken: Is it like a it’s like an artwork that like you have like different meanings and one.

Zeke: Liter within I didn’t go to the audition the day before and I was like, but…

Ken: You think you think you think like half the artists that do some shit like that are like on acid. You think so realistic? Really? You think have you done acid before the auditions you would have pulled through?

Zeke: No.

Ken: Probably would have.

Zeke: (inaudible) skills. Just be like constantly trying to figure out  who I am.

Ken: Hmm, I see, Dang you were soul searching at a young age.

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: I am super excited guys. I have to tell him like, I don’t know. I think I think I get myself like bought out of my mind.

Zeke: I also I don’t want to work (inaudible) for the rest of my life. Working is a part, like huge part of your life.

Ken: I mean Yeah, it’s like it’s like it’s like what like Monday through Friday it’s five days out of like, the week that like you’re you’re busy doing some shit that like, you know it’s gonna be it’s gonna make it’s gonna pay the bills, you know,

Zeke: Also wanted to retire at age of 30. But

Ken: You think you Zuckerberg?

Zeke: Yeah, I was like 13 when I said that, so I had time.

Ken: Like I thought I thought honestly um up until the age of 16 that $250,000 was like the most money you’ll ever make. You know, I mean, like, I thought that was like, that was like a lot. A lot. Like, yeah, I heard about millionaires when I was like, $250,000 like from a job. It’s like, wow, like that’s, that must be like a lot.

Zeke: If you don’t live in New York,

Ken: Which it is, right? It is like you mean but like, it’s not the most like there are jobs out there like Berlin that’s what attracts me to finance I heard about these MBAs making like $550,000 a year like what 405 50 my bat my dad barely makes it by 40.

Zeke: Word I’m just like, okay, but if you get like 3 million in the bank, you can live off the interest.

Ken: I mean, yeah, that’s three mil in the bank looks like that’s it like for me like I’m not gonna lie. Like if I have 3 mil the bank. I’m throwing that shit on Tesla like what what is it today? Tesla right now, is that like, a high like 100 I will throw all my money in Tesla right now. I buy options, right? That’s, that’s like my mentality is because money money got to keep growing and like the Interest like yeah that’s cool no but I wanna I want to arbitrage I want to make bomb bread yeah, I lost train of the conversation.

Zeke: We went off since the first question. Started talking about traveling, then we talked about anime, talked about cultures.

Ken: Where do you see yourself in 10 years?

Zeke: 10 years, how old am I 22?

Ken: Are you? You’re you’re eight years by before retirement.

Zeke: I have to figure this out right now.

Ken: Sorry.

Zeke: 10 years, retired of course. I said that cuz um my math teacher, her friend sold like a rare baseball card, a rare a rare baseball card and he retired at age 38.

Ken: Oh really?

Zeke: Yeah. So I was like bet.

Ken: When was this because baseball cards now like,

Zeke: That was in, probably before I was,  it was my middle school math teacher but like probably before then

Ken: This card must have been like some Baseball cards like for me, like, I see the vibe when it comes to card like that. Yeah, Like Yugioh, remember when Yugioh was the shit. Right so I used to bro that’s why I learned about the stock market, but wasn’t like the stock.

Zeke: I was trying to sell cards. But my mom was like, nah, she didn’t want me to become a hustler. 

Ken: Bro, you know a target right by the counter like you just buy like those like, like the deluxe packs. Yeah, you just start flipping them shits like, especially like.

Zeke: I was trying to do that.

Ken: Yeah, remember the three of them though those those is one like big pyramid nigga.

Zeke: Exodia, wait was it Exodia?

Ken: Exodia right? If you had all the pieces that was easy $200 cash, yeah. Easy. And then if you have the three the three legendary the yellow.

Zeke: Egyptian God cards?

Ken: I think so. Those are that you thought you sell them for 50 bucks a pop, bro. I was kicking the middle school bro. Like I was like I lived I literally lived off my own income. It was only until like the market started dying. Like I was I was in it late I like the the thing the the yugi bro that shows fire race if y’all saw my friends by like trump card I got you like bro used to used to make bread off of that but yeah like I can see like why the guy sold it for like a lot I mean I’m not sure who bought it but yeah whoever bought it must have been a dickhad.

Zeke: Like I want this.

Ken: Probably he was probably at the guy with the 3 million bank like you mentioned earlier.

Zeke: Like 10 years I don’t know cuz I changed every so often Change my group of friend change my interests hmm but definitely want to be comfortable.

Ken: Comfortable What do you mean by comfortable?

Zeke: Like before traveling is like have like the home and everything set and like at least have that set and then family. I don’t know yet that that just happens.

Ken: Yeah. Oh yeah by like your 30 you should have like a kid by then or, like how the other roles go. (laughing) by the social was like 30 have a kid. That’s weird.

Zeke: I seen people who were 50 have a kid.

Ken: Imagine in 10 years from now you have a kid 10 years not a lot. 10 years yeah 10 years ago you were, you’re like 12 Yes. Damn in 10 years you’re gonna have a little a little Zeke.

Zeke: Like, Oh, no, this. But I always say my kids had to train to be like the best of everything. Like,

Ken: I told you something. It sounds like he’s trying to be like a Pokemon trainer.

Zeke: It’s more, like, just have like the best they have the most confidence and like, the best problem solving like, dude, like, I don’t have to worry. Okay, and give them the most all the tools they need. And it’s up to the up to them to figure out how they want to do.

Ken: So, you know, you know I have a problem with that. They’re like like you, everyone’s saying the same shit. And that scares me because it leads into the whole argument of like the future thing, because if everyone’s competing, that means everyone’s gonna be like a master in programming. If there was a master programming, that means AI is gonna, like, just takes off. My kids are gonna be left out with it. I probably might have to retire early, just because literally, there’ll be no job.

Zeke: I mean, they can do whatever they want. I just wanted to know, like, just conflict management, problem solving, and just have those confidence like be able to survive in this world because the world is…

Ken: Forever changing.

Zeke: No, I was also not fair. And it’s also just, you gotta be able to think on your feet and deal with whatever situation comes to you.

Ken: Yeah, I feel Yeah, I think that’s, that’s a good that’s a good base to have your kids kind of grow off of. I’ll see. I’ll see. Sure. Anyone. I even know how I raise my kids and I didn’t know if I’m gonna be in this country to be honest here. Like I think about it the way this is turning up. Probably moved to like Europe or somewhere.

Zeke: Like short term want to have like a place in New York and Brooklyn.

Ken: Oh you’re staying here?

Zeke: Probably just like at least like 75% of the time then had like a place in California.

Ken: Oh money.

Zeke: Because um like with the podcasts like my main problem right now is space.

Ken: Right.

Zeke: Find the place to do it so I have a place in Brooklyn, a place in Manhattan if you want to do it there that’s good. And California has like to Hollywood everything right there so right

Ken: For your people like celebrities.

Zeke: Yeah, if I need a place to stay I have a place to stay over there. I have a hab a mostly use

Ken: Word Cali like LA you mean?

Zeke: Probably like yeah, somewhere in the middle of California so either go up Sacramento and all of them or, go down. And then like, just have that’s like the plan like the middle like a mid plan.

Ken: What’s a what’s a what’s a random state to you?

Zeke: A random state?

Ken: Random state or city like the most random state and city you can think of…

Zeke: Montana.

Ken: That’s a state or city, yeah [laughing]

Zeke: Like,

Ken: I was I was expecting somewhere in the Midwest like like Kansas or Iowa Yeah, just like way too many states city wise.

Zeke: It’s like 50 of them.

Ken: Too many,

Zeke: I mean we kept taking us have not we the Americans kept taking, us well I guess we’re Americans.

Ken: Bro like imagine you’d be on ps4 and someone from Kentucky said that to you like you’re playing to 2k and the guys like yurr. Like hey what’s good, but yeah, I’m here in Louisville. You have a ps4 out there? Yes, sir. We do.

Zeke: You have internet?

Ken: Facts like, bro. I’m thinking like how people can like there was this gaming used to play a DC Universe. You heard of it?

Zeke: Yeah.

Ken: Stupid, best underrated game of all time. Best. Best. But I wish I could play it to this day but I don’t have the time um and people will just be online like on the server from mad different place like I have a best friend right now who’s living in Idaho I say best friend because like we went through it all and went through like fights with each other online and shit but like he’s a real guy like I eventually we shared Facebook’s and stuff like he had a whole family like he has a camera now two kids and like he’s working like and I’m like some like he’s like an electrician or some shit beautiful family and all that. Yeah. And like…

Zeke: Have the whole life together.

Ken: Honestly. Even like like some of the stuff I post I graduate from high school he he keeps up with me. Honestly  I should probably add him on LinkedIn. Probably going to do that after this now that I think about it. Yeah bro 50 states like I’m just thinking about like imagine like you do really. Do people really think about like other people in other states like I’m probably have to tell New York consider it you know I mean like we think about Florida, what the fucks happening in Florida right now?

Zeke: They probably flooding,

Ken: Flooding like all the crazy shit.

Zeke: Like it is probably on fire.

Ken: Yeah, you know, I mean, like, I’m just saying,

Zeke: Texas, but I also need to get property in Texas because that’s growing.

Ken: Texas Yeah, Texas is an interesting place a lot of like, businesses over there are starting to like have like their, their their corporate corporation there Yeah. And now even like now like some of the some of our guys like from SEEK are moving there because of like, like consulting stuff. Yeah. So yeah dude, but um, that I gotta I gotta start heading out to my class.

Zeke: So I like to thank you for coming to the podcast and

Ken: Man it’s great to be here.

Zeke: My last question is what would you name your origin story?

Ken: My IG handle. I’m quirky like the Power of Kenn yeah From the Power Of Kenn have that on Netflix. It’s gonna be a special right. You’re gonna have the same people you’ve seen in like, tough hits, like you’re gonna have Luke Cage there. You know, acting like a Zeke playing Zeke in it like like. It’s gonna it’s gonna be dope it’s gonna be dope man.

Zeke: Do you want to promote anything like that or…

Ken: Um nah, I guess you can follow my IG handle Power Of Kenn follow me on that. I typically post like a ton of like my my professional slash like funny things like if you’re not if you don’t catch me like in my suit like networking or like doing like technological stuff then you’re gonna catch me like like making fun of like my friends and like just sharing dope stuff like I’m really into like tech fashion and music and art but not like street art nah street art is cool but I’m like I’m trying to get into like the the old like Picasso Michelangelo a lot of like famous European artists and like trying to like really get my head around that but nevertheless Follow me on IG five Power Of Kenn and then I hopefully in like your hundred hundredth episode specially I’ll be around we can we do this? Yeah, wish you much success with this .

Zeke: You too brother.

Ken: Yeah, bro.

Zeke: Alright, peace let’s get out of here.

Zeke: That brings another episode of the Let’s Gather Podcast to a close. Again you can follow Ken at his Instagram Power Of Kenn and this is the last episode of season one. You can get more information on what’s coming next for the podcast in the closing episode, which will premiere on the same day this episode. I hope you continue to have a nice day and I hope to see you there.

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