Breaking Down Marketing

Evan: Yeah. I remember my great grandfather was a business owner, but he bought into some franchise. And you know what, like, whatever that was, I don’t fully understand what it was really. But he did that my grandfather started his own store. My dad started his own b2b side of the jewelry industry company. And to me, it was always normal growing up, like it was just an option that, hey, if I didn’t want to go do X, Y, or Z, I could always start my own thing. But I would say it was never an option to go work at my grandfather’s store. A good father was always like, you got to do your own thing. You’re not working here, and I worked there till I was like 18. But at 18 he was like, No, you’re done.

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Zeke: Welcome, everyone to another episode of the Let’s Gather Podcast. I’m your host Zeke. In this episode, I have an entrepreneur named Evan Nasir to speak about his journey in marketing. You can listen to this podcast on all major platforms, including YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcastsby clicking the link in description below or going to https://allmylinks.com/letsgatherpod. Please rate  five stars I like to give a content warning for any strong language used in this episode. I hope you have a nice day and enjoy the show. . So firstly, welcome for coming on the podcast.

Zeke: What? So first, like a welcome for coming on the podcast.

Evan: Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. excited to talk.

Zeke: No, thank you. Well, no, my brains. Thank you for all. Yeah. So first question I would like to ask is what would your origin story be?

Evan: Well, I grew up in a fairly nice part of town. And that was kind of my identity was wrapped around, you know, the stuff that we had. And then when I went into high school, my dad relapsed on drugs and basically that snowballed into us while him not going to work. And then I stopped being failed, pay the bills and spending all the money on drugs, parents getting divorce, and I was an only child so super traumatic, which would be traumatic no matter how many brothers and sisters you have, I guess. And I remember that was a tough for me. I leaned on my faith a lot during that season. And that was a catalyst. To get me through that. And it also helped me overcome a lot of adversity, which I help I think helps me be really successful as an entrepreneur today, to have the resiliency to mitigate risk and limit ambiguity and make decisions throughout that.

Zeke: Cool. And would you make like a book or a movie or an anime series?

Evan: Or if I could be Iron Man now, dream? Yeah, no. Um, I think a movie probably. I mean, it’s possible. At some point. I’ve always thought about doing a book. Every time I think about doing a book though. I think if like, if I talked about resilience, I’m really not the person who’s overcome the most resilience, you know, like I’m, yeah, whatever. I think that I have some ability or gain skill set, or overcome something. I’m like Kelly, people have overcome like 10 times more than that. So, but it would probably have something to do with that, you know, it might not be there. The most intense version ever but it would be my version at least. 

Zeke: Yes your story. Yes 100% and with all that you said earlier that it helps you become more resilient and that’s like the mindset you have to be we do like marketing or entrepreneurship because they somebody else has that we work with somebody else you have somebody else’s can’t do whatever works. And you’re gonna do this okay, this way I need to do and then you have a face that day on there and as many gay on an apple we you pretty much recover yourself. You kind of have to take on everything in this kind of be able to be calm in the valleys, the peaks and valleys.

Evan: Yeah, absolutely. And if for me, it was like, whenever stuff in my family was going on, there was a lot that I couldn’t control. It was beyond my control as a middle school or high schooler, but I learned to control myself. I learned that, hey, I can’t control everybody else, I can’t control me. And so whenever I felt anxious or nervous, I thought, Man, I don’t want to live in that state, I don’t want to just stay perpetually, you know, unsure or scared or whatever that might be. And so I’m going to do stuff that I can do in order to fix that. And so that still translates over to entrepreneurship. So let’s say it’s having a rough day, say a deal doesn’t close, or we end up you know, a client is having a bad day, they’re unkind, something like that, whatever it may be, I’m able to then take that and not let that recommend day or even my entrepreneurship journey is able to take that process it and learn from it, and move forward. And so there are times like there’s businesses that I’m a partner in that we’ve acquired a business that is struggling and is it doesn’t they don’t always require like a full over overhaul, but this one did, and that was definitely a lot for my partners and myself. And so Instead of just being panicky and freaking out and back out of the deal, we just looked at it from a very analytical standpoint. And every time we run into something, we are still choosing to go back into it and make it happen because we believe there’s potential there. So the resiliency that I developed growing up I think helps me on a day to day basis to really see all of these big macro level business stuff. It’s not a big deal in comparison to life growing up.

Zeke: Cool. And this we can pivot to like two more marketing. Okay, so what got you into marketing?

Evan: My grandfather took me aside when I was younger, I was probably 12 years old or so and he owned his own business. And he sold jewelry so watches engagement rings, necklaces, earrings, what have you and He would teach me what he was doing in marketing. And I remember placing an ad in Atlanta Symphony together, and I was a kid. And he let me write all the copy to it, submit it to the designer. He was telling me why we chose certain words and the mistakes that I made when I first did it. And so he was coaching me on that. And I really love this strategy, the strategy of messaging, the strategy of placement, and building the marketing strategy. And so fast forward to about four years ago, I was doing marketing at a nonprofit in Charlotte, and my dad had passed away recently, and my grandfather was about to retire. And I thought, you know, I can’t help them anymore, but I can help business owners like them to be successful and improve their quality, their quality of life as well as their families. So that’s why I decided to start caffeine marketing so that I can help other small business owners like my family.

Zeke: Sorry about your father, by the way,

Evan: I appreciate it, Thanks, man.

Zeke: So I guess you kina following like the family business. Like, it’s kind of like

Evan: The family entrepreneurship journey for sure. Yeah. I remember my great grandfather was a business owner, but he bought into some franchise. And you know what, like, whatever that was, I don’t fully understand what it was really. But he did that my grandfather started his own store. My dad started his own b2b side of the jewelry industry company. And to me, it was always normal growing up, like it was just an option that, hey, if I didn’t want to go do X, Y, or Z, I could always start my own thing. But I would say it was never an option to go work at my grandfather’s store. A good father was always like, you got to do your own thing. You’re not working here, and I worked there till I was like 18. But at 18 he was like, No, you’re done and go somewhere else. And he honestly he taught me so much about that because we love working together. And it was really hard for him to like let me go do something else. But I think he was wise enough to see that just staying there would have limited me in my personal growth. So I really appreciate that he did that for me. And he had that foresight.

Zeke: Nice. And with your journey of a marketing did you have to kind of how to find yourself or since you had it since he was a younger usage younger, it was easier for you to like jump in?

Evan: I think there are two types of marketing. There’s creative marketing, and then there’s more the math strategy side. A very few people are good at both. Both are valuable, but they’re different. branding, logo design, graphic design, that’s important and I have a decent eye for what’s good or not, but I don’t I’m not a tactician. You know, I’m not actually designing graphics or whatever. I don’t I’m not that good at that. But I am really good at designing strategy that’s going to be profitable for our clients and make them a lot of money, help them grow their company. And I think that lends itself to loving math. Like I’ve always loved math growing up, I’m certainly not like, you know, a pro math wizard my, one of my best friends is like he was went to school to be a math teacher, you know, he’s, he puts me to shame. But I do love math. And I was pretty decent at it. And I think it’s that same numbers, calculations strategy, there’s like an always a bit of truth to it. I enjoy that a lot. I’ve always enjoyed strategy. And I think that marketing strategy lends itself to that. Because if you can really master the domain, you know, it works. You can make a lot of money for your clients, whereas the other side is not invaluable, but it’s hard to put a price point on, you know, if I know I can, for example, let’s say I charge 20 grand for a website because I know it’s gonna Making a company $200,000. Easy, I feel very confident about that. But on the flip side with a creative, you could do, you could build a website for them and you could charge 20 grand, but it’s a different reason why it’s charged 20 grand, it’s your charge 20 grand, because that’s what really just what they want to get paid. Or they’re that good of a rubber design artist, it’s gonna look aesthetically that good. So both are valuable, and you try to have I try to have mutual connections or people on our team that can make really good aesthetics. And I compromise on the strategy. And so they have to go hand in hand, I guess.

Zeke: Yeah. Because some of you I’m very good at math, and to tie this kind of stuff, but like, for me, I feel like I’m on the creative side.

Evan: It’s great.

Zeke: I ended up kind of struggle with like strategy because I’m just like, that’s a lot of work. Yeah,

Evan: I would feel the same way about, The crazy stuff so like the cool shirt wearing for the podcast. I look at that and go, Wow, that’s awesome. I’m not somebody who could ever figure out what font to use what color it should be assigned my skill set, and that feels like a, it would take me all day to figure that out. Whereas somebody who’s a pro it could knock out like 10 versions in an hour.

Zeke: So yeah. Yeah, so they see that people kind of choose a side and feathers. It’s kind of hard to blend both because they’re conflicting with each other sometimes should be creative and be like free. And within math is really process based.

Evan: Yes, very. And I also I love business partnerships. I started caffeine. And I’m the sole owner caffeine, but I love that I’m a part of a bunch of different businesses that I’ve got other people that have different strengths than I do. And they enjoy different things than I do. Because some stuff just to drive up a wall, if I had to do it every day, like I hate meetings, and some people are like operations. And so they’re like they’re running the show, you know, they’re having meetings every single week with people. And I appreciate that. But I don’t want to do that. So yeah, everybody’s got their own strengths. So find partners that you think that you gel well with.

Zeke: And with caffeine marketing, what kind of been like most enjoyable about it? I think it’s really about like helping people. So what kind of about that? What is about that?

Evan: There is two sides, I think are are fun one from a chem. They’re both from a chemical standpoint in your brain. And I would say one is more of a serotonin release. And then one is a dopamine release. And they come in the form of when I successfully hit metrics for our clients. So let’s say, you know, we built out a sales funnel and a website and advertising for a client recently and they’re getting at least 17 x return on investment. So what that means so far is that every dollar that they’ve given us, we’ve essentially produced 17 back for them. And that’s essentially like an ATM that every dollar you put in, you get something back. So I love those moments where we’re getting really, really good results that to me just feel satisfying. It’s like hitting metrics. It’s like a, you’re winning basically. And on the flip side, I also really enjoy the human connection of it. And I enjoy talking with people and caring about people and building relationships with them. And that part is the serotonin aspect. That’s the community and just loving and caring for people I think it’s better to give and receive so I really enjoyed that aspect of it too.

Zeke: Nice and was like hitting the metric is it more like or looking over the years you built like pull the strategy or like each situation you have to um adapt to the situation?

Evan: I think that there is a general overarching principles that are applicable to each business, but the medium in which you go about them might be a little bit different for each one. So at a really high level marketing can be simplified into brand awareness as the top of the marketing funnel consideration, which is the middle and then conversion, brand awareness. The first problem that you’re trying to solve is make people aware that you exist because they’re not, they’re not aware that you exist, they won’t subscribe to your podcast and won’t buy your products read your book, they have to know you exist or your product exists. And then consideration is about reinforcing messaging and creating messaging that people are going to understand what it is you do and how you make their life better. And then conversion. Lastly is about making it as easy as possible for people to work with you. An example of that is a virtual assistant company that we just became partners in the pricing structure is super confusing, like we’ve been partners in the business for two months, and I still don’t understand it. So what we’re working on right now Now is restructuring the pricing. That way, it’s really easy for people to buy the product, they can essentially just say, Hey, I’m gonna pay this much per month for this many hours. And it’s gonna be really easy. So, brand awareness, consideration conversion, and in the actual mediums in which you go about it. I generally know what platforms perform best for certain industries, or what don’t perform well for certain industries. But again, it’s all a hypothesis and I love to put it to the test. And I love to look at data and say, okay, Facebook, we thought Facebook wasn’t going to work for this Facebook ads, but man, it’s blown it on the water. It’s got a huge return on investment right now. So it all depends, but I favor certain platforms just because I’ve seen them work really well in the past in delivering, you know, revenue for our clients.

Zeke: Cool. Okay, much is a skeleton we had to fill in the rest of it to make a perfect picture like a sketch.

Evan: Yeah, it is, um, once you have an idea of what you’re painting, I think it’s I that’s the part I enjoy is filling the lines, I think would be hard if I didn’t beer just like paint something for me, I’m like, can help you my deal, you know. But if you’re like, Hey, we know that we want a sunset or here’s the sunset, paint a picture of a sunset, that’s easy. So whereas more more creative people like yourself, can do things that I cannot ever do, which is just come up with something else on air, you just come up with an idea. And that to me is completely foreign. So teach their own I guess. Yeah.

Zeke: So did you lose weight? Did you lose school for marketing? This?

Evan: Yeah, good question. So I started caffeine. And four years ago, and then I went to school about six to seven months after I started caffeine. And I finished my bachelor’s In five months, so I did it from start to finish in five months. Because I just didn’t want to spend a lot of time in school to be quite honest. I just thought it was not necessary. It’s a waste of time for everybody. I just thought for where I wanted to go, it didn’t make sense for me to be in school for four years. So I just hammered down and made it happen. But then five months, which is was tough, for sure.

Zeke: Cool. So. So you have pretty much you have both like books, like the textbooks version of marketing, and do you have like a real world version of marketing?

Evan: Yeah, I’m super thankful for that. And I also, I think part of what helped me get through the school part so quickly, was that I was already familiar with the concepts. So for some of like the marketing marketing one on one, I was able to basically just take the final, you know, which was pretty cool. And then my final project or whatever that should take like a month or two to complete was a business plan. Well, I had already had my own business plan. So I just kind of turned in my business plan and, and got a passing grade on it. So like this is not a bad gig. But I did. Yeah, I just studied marketing.

Zeke: Okay. Did that my third major is just my major a couple times.

Evan: Yeah. I feel like that’s got to be taught. We learned over time, I’m sure.

Zeke: Yeah. Because I finished last year for four years. You did it in five months I’m just like huh.

Evan: I know. Yeah. I don’t think it’s for everybody. And I’m not saying that it’s the right thing to do. I think that, you know, an ideal world. Somebody’s got a parent or something that pays for college. That wasn’t the case for me. And so I just thought, man, how am I gonna get this out of frickin way? Because I got stuff. I wanted to do it. That’s the thing. It’s like, I knew where I wanted to go. So I don’t want to waste time on the process.

Zeke: Yeah, because I have financial aid. So I was like,

Evan: No, no, it’s when we got married. My wife had around $90,000 is like debt and like 75 ish or student loan. And we were able to pay all that off for you pretty quickly, thankfully. But it was, it’s not the route that I wanted to go I didn’t want to take loans out to go through school and that’s not to say that it’s not ever worth it. But for me, I just didn’t see that as the right decision.

Zeke: So cool. And what have been some other like valleys in creating caffeine marketing, well, they work in the marketing field?

Evan: I think that as far as what opportunities live for caffeine or just like in the marketing world, which just so…

Zeke: We could do a marketing world and caffeine.

Evan: Okay. And the marketing world I feel like strategists are always helpful. I feel like if you become a technician, and you get really good at one thing, I’d suggest diversifying your skill sets because platforms emerge and fall all the time. You know, if you were Tik Tok ad specialists and that’s what you did. Well, it sucks, you know, there’s no more, so yeah Tik Tok’s being banned, you know, so at least this time. So I think if you could do your skill sets have a learning attitude I don’t think marketing is something that you want to get into if you are not willing to continually learn over and over again because stuff is always shifting, it’s always moving. And then as far as for caffeine, I, I would love to do more investing. So it’s not to say caffeine won’t be around in five years, but I love being a partner in a company. It’s just something really pure about it. It’s a lot of fun. And, you know, it’s cool to wake up and have business partners instead of just doing it yourself.

Zeke: Cool. And marketing, marketing marketing like so what kind of stuff liberal marketing, you know, the like the like, really, in terms of your like, mathematical part of marketing.

Evan: Like that I do like or I don’t like don’t like, Okay, um, I hate reporting, which might sound counterintuitive, but I it’s really valuable. But sometimes it’s frustrating to me because some of the platforms don’t have the best reporting. So if I’m using Shopify as an e commerce solution, and I’m using tracking from within Shopify, it’s not always the most accurate. So it can be really frustrating to try and pin down what campaign is delivering the results right now. So I have to go in I have to turn certain campaigns off, turn it back on and it’s a very cumbersome process. That leaves a lot of uncertainty on the table, because I’m not able to see which campaigns specifically is the one that’s making my client, you know, a lot of money. I have to sometimes guess and try out okay, I think this is the one we’re going to try to scale this one up and see happens. So that’s the part I don’t like is that no matter how much data you have, there’s some margin of error. And that’s unfortunate. And so I just got to kind of pick based off of intuition at that point.

Zeke: Cool. Play much sometimes accuracy is the odd thing.

Evan: Yeah, it’s almost like imagine you you had a couple seeds, right? And you knew that you had some pumpkin seeds in there. You didn’t know what pumpkin seeds look like this analogy, just gonna break down quickly, so bear with me, but you had pumpkin seeds, you forgot sunflower seeds. You got a couple other seeds, but you don’t know what they look like, right? You just have a bag and you’re like, God, I know something in here is gonna grow until you put it out there. And that’s the equivalent of like, you have all these plants growing up, but you don’t know what seed is which and so they’re all in the spring. Out face like they’re not actually full, full blown plans yet. They’re just little sprouts. And you’re trying to figure out which one of those is actually the pumpkin seed? Is that the pumpkin seed? No, that’s the sunflower seed. And so if you don’t have data, or you’re missing data, you’re trying to essentially guess what you think is working what you think is growing. Whereas if you have really good data, then it just becomes a simple yes or no answer. Do you for every dollar you’re getting, do you want $2? back? Yes or no? Yes. Okay, great. So you just keep reinvesting back into these campaigns.

Zeke: And I wanted to like create a campaign is a quicker now is it still a long process of research, then testing, the more research?

Evan: I think it depends on the type of organization that you’re a part of, if you are you just saying you’ll entrepreneur or sell opportunity. You’re a marketing person at a small company, you can make decisions really quickly. And so you’re able to pivot and switch because you just have a certain budget you’re supposed to work within. And so that process could take within hours, you know, you can get a campaign up and running within hours getting approved, get approved by your boss and approved by Facebook, and then, you know, get on with it. But if you’re in a larger organization, there’s so many nuts and bolts that have to be approved. Everybody’s got an opinion about it, you got to build a new website, it’s got to go with the CEO. So that can take months sometimes, which is really unfortunate. So it really depends on the type of company, I would say, but anywhere from hours to months, which sounds like a big gap, but I think it’s more organizational speed, instead of just what it takes marketing wise.

Zeke: And the pivot or a bear to your grandfather. So were his a marketing tips. They allow them stay in Like the same, or the things just change over time with technology is that like, the own changing society of like what people want?

Evan: Yes and no. So the platforms that he used, those might change a little bit. So he might, you know, he might have favored newspaper ads, or billboards or something like that. Those mediums are not really that effective anymore. And so the medium in which she might pick might, just because he’s comfortable with it may not even say why, however, the actual strategy that he would say around what messaging should be at, choose me, what messaging should we have, that’s still true? Do we talk about the problem that customers experiencing? Do we talk about how life is going to look like on the other side of buying your product or service? Do we paint a picture of success and aspirational identity? So all of these things are messaging related those things change what you should say never hardly ever changes. But the medium in which you advertise, I think does change over time.

Zeke: Watching Wisecrack and know something about marketing, when the economy’s doing well, there’s always marketing and like you need this product to, to like all show that you have worth. gg gg you can’t afford it. But then when the economy’s down as more of this is essential for you, you need this father because you’re like, is needed for every day to make it easier for you.

Evan: Yeah, it’s almost like when the economy is down, expensive restaurants revenue goes down. And it’s I think that’s a normal. A normal good is typically the name. I forget the name of the other one. But basically the idea is that when an economy is up, luxury goods are going to sell more versus when it’s you know, people are tight on cash. I will say though, it’s Fascinating that people spend certain things spend money on things like during the pandemic, like their house, like they’re just blowing money, like some of the our clients are in the home decor space, and who was blowing money over there, which is crazy to me. And I’m totally guilty of it myself, you know, I just bought my own office, you know, and the house that I need, you know, the couch was fine. And the other little office I have is fine. But I was like, now you know what, I’m just gonna do it, I pull the trigger. So humans are weird. But the last thing that I want to say on that point, based on what you mentioned, is that we often buy products because we want to be perceived a certain way, or like by others or ourselves. So sometimes people buy Mercedes, because they want people to see that they’re fancy, you know that they’re, they have money. Some other people buy Mercedes, because they want to see themselves that way. sense. So it’s almost like this internal dialogue of Oh, I want to be a fancy person, not not to. I only tell anybody I got a Mercedes. I just want to be, I want to feel that way. And the other version is I want to feel like my friends are going to be really impressed by my Mercedes. So they’re both aspirational identities. They’re just manifesting themselves differently.

Zeke: Yeah, they own the home decor thing. People since they’re spending more time inside, they want to, but they like psychologically want to make the inside better. So they’re not going crazy.

Evan: Yeah, there’s a guy that I do. It’s called Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It’s like a martial art thing. Yeah. And a guy that just started rolling where I roll which is like what you do when you go you call it rolling. And he’s a lawyer, and he said, I am in my one bedroom apartment all day. I work from home. I live at my house. I’ve been doing nothing but work and sleeping. There is Like so I need to get I need to get out. So that’s why I started doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which I thought was hilarious. He just wanted to try something together and it was like this good exercise.

Evan: Yeah, for sure. This is really funny. He’s big dude. Dude. He was like 250 pounds or so. So, like six foot three.

Zeke: Stout. Yeah. Yeah. How much are you gonna let you still have?

Evan: Yeah, I got a couple minutes.

Zeke: Okay, cool. Well, so like the main question, Do you have any questions for me?

Evan: What made you interested in starting the podcast?

Zeke: So, last year, when I graduated, I kind of graduated with like, no plan after graduation. And I was like, people can have them do like informational interviews. And those like when others turn that into like a podcast, those like meeting people can apply over on. There’s a nonprofit called the one club where it brings in like, to diversify into marketing advertising. I feel like meeting people there and I was like, they’re doing things. They’re trying to do things and I was like, I could use them as I guess. And then do I finish the interviews and they have a podcast and then that can be on what you call it like a way to kill two birds with one stone.

Evan: Yeah, I’m looking at right now. That’s awesome. Wow. So what do you feel like? It’s been the greatest benefit of doing podcast so far? Like what have you enjoyed the most?

Zeke: Like, well, selfishly I’m about myself a lot and learn how like people are perceive me. Last time we talked about my friends in the pocket like, they look, they look up to me and say to me for we’re all in the same level.

Evan: Yeah, that’s really cool. I love that.

Zeke: But then on the like, what saturation side is more like a lot of people. They said they have fun doing it. Hmm, I guess it gives us time to like talk, if people tend to talk when they’re using because we live in a city is always just keep going, going going to the next task.

Evan: Right. Right. And almost like you never talk to people. So

Zeke: Yeah, that’s how we talk at each other. Not with each other.

Evan: Yes, I’ll tell you there. And we’re, you’re in New York, right? Yes. Okay, awesome. I’m sure that that’s especially true in New York. Like from what I’ve heard, it’s like heads down just walk into crowds, you know?

Zeke: Yeah. Cuz this guy can going everything’s traffic because like it was it wasn’t our people now with a pandemic is kind of disappeared.

Evan: Yeah, that’s cool. And they get well, cool, man. I love that. What do you feel like is the thing you’re most interested in right now? Or most excited about?

Zeke: What’s exciting is thing is learning something new and helping people because, okay, I’m always I’ve always been curious. I’m learning just, like, high school by myself. I like learning about things. It’s like, Oh, that’s interesting. I want to try it or just experiment. And then this time, give me time to like, experiment. Everything.

Evan: Yeah, I feel you. I mean, it’s, I mean, it’s definitely given a loss a lot of time, that’s for sure. Where, what would you want to be doing five years now?

Zeke: That I have no idea because as soon as I figure out what my career is gonna be, it could be like something like this or it could be more like youth development, helping, helping all children sounds like that. Does so trying to decide.

Evan: That’s awesome. Why don’t you just do both?

Zeke: Yeah,

Evan: It worked a lot, but you can do both. So that’s cool, man. Well, Zeke thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

Zeke: One more question.

Evan: Yes.

Zeke: What would you name your origin story?

Evan: Oh gosh, it comes up I think of it. I said resilience but I want to say resilience. I was trying to think of some other creative name. But like I said that someone can come up with something on the spot. I have no idea. Yeah, I say resilience. And I think I’m nervous to say that because like I mentioned, I think other people ever become more resilient than me. But is my story. You know, like losing my dad. There’s my stepdad and all that stuff like it suck. no two ways about it. So that’s what I would say.

Zeke: Nice.

Evan: Or look for persistence. Persistence might be a good a better word.

Zeke: Thank you for being the guests.

Evan: Yeah. Thanks for having me.

Zeke: And I’ll let you know this coming up October. Yeah. Okay, but there we got tober.

Evan: Sweet, and I’ll make sure to share it when you tag me.  So,

Zeke: Yes. Have a nice day.

Evan: Thanks, you too. See ya.

Zeke: Bye, 

Zeke: That brings another episode of the Let’s Gather Podcast to a close. I would like to thank Evan for being a guest on the podcast. For next week. I have another friend named Joe to speak about COVID-19 2010 Haitian Earthquake and much more. I hope you continue to have a nice day, and hope to see you there.

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